Death...

[Punk_Sk8r]

You go in the ground and your body rots. I'm not a religous person, so as far as i'm concerned that's what happens. Also, I'm only 18 so not scared of death, there is an extremely slim chance of dying in an accident, and i don't have any terminal diseases, so i have lots of time left hopefully.

Accidents are called accidents for a reason, they could happen to anyone...

 

[evertonfan]

Aye. And as if I wasn't scared enough about the nothingness, then the thought of reincarnation scares me even more. What if I come back as a Liverpool fan?

Accidents are called accidents for a reason, they could happen to anyone...

Yeah. I could fall down the stairs and break my neck at any time. It only takes one slip.

 

[Punk_Sk8r]

Aye. And as if I wasn't scared enough about the nothingness, then the thought of reincarnation scares me even more. What if I come back as a Liverpool fan?



Yeah. I could fall down the stairs and break my neck at any time. It only takes one slip.

Seriously I don't know if your being sarcastic or not but thats how it can happen, theres loads of shows and stuff on freak accidents and stuff that you wouldn't expect to happen to you.

 

[pal]

I had to read Plato's Apology (it covers Socrates' defense for charges of impiety and the final verdict of death) recently for a philosophy course and I think that this excerpt taken from the end of the dialogue might be of some help to a few here (if they take the time to read it ):

Let us reflect in another way, and we shall see that there is great reason to hope that death is a good, for one of two things: - either death is a state of nothingness and utter unconsciousness, or, as men say, there is a change and migration of the soul from this world to another. Now if you suppose that there is no consciousness, but a sleep like the sleep of him who is undisturbed even by the sight of dreams, death will be an unspeakable gain. For if a person were to select the night in which his sleep was undisturbed even by dreams, and were to compare with this the other days and nights of his life, and then were to tell us how many days and nights he had passed in the course of his life better and more pleasantly than this one, I think that any man, I will not say a private man, but even the great king, will not find many such days or nights, when compared with the others. Now if death is like this, I say that to die is gain; for eternity is then only a single night. But if death is the journey to another place, and there, as men say, all the dead are, what good, O my friends and judges, can be greater than this? If indeed when the pilgrim arrives in the world below, he is delivered from the professors of justice in this world, and finds the true judges who are said to give judgment there, Minos and Rhadamanthus and Aeacus and Triptolemus, and other sons of God who were righteous in their own life, that pilgrimage will be worth making. What would not a man give if he might converse with Orpheus and Musaeus and Hesiod and Homer? Nay, if this be true, let me die again and again. I, too, shall have a wonderful interest in a place where I can converse with Palamedes, and Ajax the son of Telamon, and other heroes of old, who have suffered death through an unjust judgment; and there will be no small pleasure, as I think, in comparing my own sufferings with theirs. Above all, I shall be able to continue my search into true and false knowledge; as in this world, so also in that; I shall find out who is wise, and who pretends to be wise, and is not. What would not a man give, O judges, to be able to examine the leader of the great Trojan expedition; or Odysseus or Sisyphus, or numberless others, men and women too! What infinite delight would there be in conversing with them and asking them questions! For in that world they do not put a man to death for this; certainly not. For besides being happier in that world than in this, they will be immortal, if what is said is true.

Wherefore, O judges, be of good cheer about death, and know this of a truth - that no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after death. He and his are not neglected by the gods; nor has my own approaching end happened by mere chance. But I see clearly that to die and be released was better for me; and therefore the oracle gave no sign. For which reason also, I am not angry with my accusers, or my condemners; they have done me no harm, although neither of them meant to do me any good; and for this I may gently blame them.

 

[Kev]

@ evo - Then you've moved up the chain.

What happens when you die? Nothing.

Not forever of nothing, because there is no forever for you to exist in, you are dead.

Does that scare me? no. There's a difference between not being scared of death and not wanting to die though.

 

[Punk_Sk8r]

To answer the threads question, I'm not scared of dying but I am too. Reason I am is because I'm a strong religious believer and well I don't really practice my religion which makes me feel guilty that I can't do a few simple things in everyday life, hence me thinking of what will happen to me. Plus I've done a fair few bad things in my short 18 years of life.

 

[Highlander999]

To answer the threads question, I'm not scared of dying but I am too. Reason I am is because I'm a strong religious believer and well I don't really practice my religion which makes me feel guilty that I can't do a few simple things in everyday life, hence me thinking of what will happen to me. Plus I've done a fair few bad things in my short 18 years of life.

No you haven't. Bad things are murder, rape and those sort of things. I'm pretty sure you are fine no matter what religion you are.

I've just realised we have managed to have a sensible religion thread.

 

[evertonfan]

Now now Tom, don't jinx it.

 

[JonAd]

If we take the scientific approach then as we understand, then it once you die that’s it. No afterlife, no paradise or heaven, just the end of you on this Earth.

There have been and are still numerous studies ongoing which aim to show that there is something after death but as you can imagine it is extremely difficult to prove. Are reports of near death experiences (NDE) real or just some kind of comfort system (which the brain triggers when electrical activity reaches a certain point) to take away from the reality that your time is up?

You also have to consider whether or not we possess a soul (or something similar) and if so what the purpose of it is. Remember that throughout history the proposed location of the soul has changed, from being thought to reside in the liver (iirc), to the heart and finally to the brain – which all correspond to the method used to determine actual death by the physicians of the day. There is also the case the missing 21 grams at the moment of death, although I believe it can be put down to erroneous reporting rather than a true phenomenon.

Getting back on track, well, if the soul does exist, it must mean that there is some kind of eternal life, although not in the sense that we know of. Personally, I believe that the soul (for want of a better term) is nothing more than energy, and as well all know, energy can neither created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another, which must mean that it gets released and transformed into something else (which may open the door for re-incarnation, if you so wish to tie them together).

Moving a little further into the truly experimental scientific world and we have to consider the possible impact of the quantum world on our understanding of death and the possibilities that it raises for things such as multiple reality universes, time\space and more pertinent to this thread the paranormal or supernatural world. Already scientists know that things at the quantum level play by their own rules and if some of the wilder theories are correct it could open the doorway to things that our brains would struggle to comprehend within its current dimensional level – paranormal and beyond included.

Moving towards the more traditional thoughts about death and what happens afterwards, it may be worth doing a little research into those psychics that have questioned the people who channel through them about ‘heaven’. There are some very similar answers being given (I’ll keep an open mind for now, although you can obviously ask a fair questions as to the reliability of these readings etc) and whilst it conforms in some notion to the traditional idea of an afterlife, it also goes somewhat deeper than that and makes it clear that life (in any form) is a journey of learning and self improvement.

That’s enough of me rambling and back to death itself, it’s nothing to fear as you’ll probably know very little about the actual final moments, regardless of how it comes about and even less about how you spend the time after you die (if current thoughts are correct that is). If there is something out there (and no-one has been able to prove otherwise) then what have you got to lose?

I don’t fear death and embrace it as a natural event; one that no-one can escape from. My major concern is in making sure that my body is put to a good use after death which is why (if I meet the criteria) it will be donated to medicine to be used in any way that they see fit. Well, it’s not as if I;m going to have any use for it, is it?

 

[evertonfan]

I think that's one hell of a good quality post right there. Well written mate.

Can anyone go into a bit more detail on near death experiences for me please? I'm intrigued.

 

[usy]

Never scared to die, it is something everyone eventually has to go through.

I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death - Nas

If we take the scientific approach then as we understand, then it once you die that?s it. No afterlife, no paradise or heaven, just the end of you on this Earth.

There have been and are still numerous studies ongoing which aim to show that there is something after death but as you can imagine it is extremely difficult to prove. Are reports of near death experiences (NDE) real or just some kind of comfort system (which the brain triggers when electrical activity reaches a certain point) to take away from the reality that your time is up?

You also have to consider whether or not we possess a soul (or something similar) and if so what the purpose of it is. Remember that throughout history the proposed location of the soul has changed, from being thought to reside in the liver (iirc), to the heart and finally to the brain ? which all correspond to the method used to determine actual death by the physicians of the day. There is also the case the missing 21 grams at the moment of death, although I believe it can be put down to erroneous reporting rather than a true phenomenon.

Getting back on track, well, if the soul does exist, it must mean that there is some kind of eternal life, although not in the sense that we know of. Personally, I believe that the soul (for want of a better term) is nothing more than energy, and as well all know, energy can neither created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another, which must mean that it gets released and transformed into something else (which may open the door for re-incarnation, if you so wish to tie them together).

Moving a little further into the truly experimental scientific world and we have to consider the possible impact of the quantum world on our understanding of death and the possibilities that it raises for things such as multiple reality universes, time\space and more pertinent to this thread the paranormal or supernatural world. Already scientists know that things at the quantum level play by their own rules and if some of the wilder theories are correct it could open the doorway to things that our brains would struggle to comprehend within its current dimensional level ? paranormal and beyond included.

Moving towards the more traditional thoughts about death and what happens afterwards, it may be worth doing a little research into those psychics that have questioned the people who channel through them about ?heaven?. There are some very similar answers being given (I?ll keep an open mind for now, although you can obviously ask a fair questions as to the reliability of these readings etc) and whilst it conforms in some notion to the traditional idea of an afterlife, it also goes somewhat deeper than that and makes it clear that life (in any form) is a journey of learning and self improvement.

That?s enough of me rambling and back to death itself, it?s nothing to fear as you?ll probably know very little about the actual final moments, regardless of how it comes about and even less about how you spend the time after you die (if current thoughts are correct that is). If there is something out there (and no-one has been able to prove otherwise) then what have you got to lose?

I don?t fear death and embrace it as a natural event; one that no-one can escape from. My major concern is in making sure that my body is put to a good use after death which is why (if I meet the criteria) it will be donated to medicine to be used in any way that they see fit. Well, it?s not as if I;m going to have any use for it, is it?

f*ck science, it will never make the world a better place to live, and never had.

@ evo - Then you've moved up the chain.

What happens when you die? Nothing.

Not forever of nothing, because there is no forever for you to exist in, you are dead.

Does that scare me? no. There's a difference between not being scared of death and not wanting to die though.

that is what you belive... not everyone else.

 

[evertonfan]

Sigh. Just as we getting a nice discussion going, along comes usy.

 

[lancashire666]

im not scared of death, why be scared of something which is impossible to avoid, anyway, as the saying goes

BIRTH

SCHOOL

METALLICA

DEATH

that kinds of sums up my life to be honest lol.



anyway, im going to life forever, as i know something you dont know

 

[usy]

Sigh. Just as we getting a nice discussion going, along comes usy.

???.... aiight boy,

 

[Skater]

Never scared to die, it is something everyone eventually has to go through.

I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death - Nas



f*ck science, it will never make the world a better place to live, and never had.



that is what you belive... not everyone else.

Everything people write in posts on this forum are their own opinion unless stated otherwise.

Science is the foundations of everything, it is finding some truth in a maze of misguided specualtion we live in.