Dec 16-20: 3rd Test - Australia v England at Perth
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I always find it annoying the way the English media put a side "on top" before much of the reply has taken place. Last night I was thinking the aussies would still be in it if they only took 2-3 wickets in the morning session and they have so far matched England.
Bell is absolutely pivotal in this, he needs to stay in and Swann needs to stay with him like they're married. England may have to settle for a small deficit, I can't see Tremlett, Anderson and Finn putting on many runs although they might hang around.
So Swann gets out. 230-240 would be good from here, in what could be a low scoring game you don't want to be conceding much more than 30-40 runs, although the BBC said :
"I don't think either side will have a very big lead"
Makes me wonder if it is whoever said that's first cricket match, because a "big lead" depends on the pitch and the size of scores, it isn't arbitrarily say 100+ runs or some fixed margin/scale. In 11 1st innings deficits as captain, Strauss has only once overturned a deficit of more than 23 runs to win a Test and that was a win by default as Pakistan were sat crying in their dressing room.
Vaughan only overcame deficits of more than eight runs three times, twice of 35 runs over New Zealand and West Indies and once of 179 runs against New Zealand - no world beaters there! Shows that deficits don't have to be big to be difficult to overturn, neither Vaughan nor Strauss have overturned 1st innings deficits of more than 23 runs against anyone decent.
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Bell out, that could be a 50+ run lead and 1-1. England just didn't sustain the pressure and keep taking wickets, 68 runs for the 6th wicket, 52 runs for the 7th wicket but perhaps crucially 67 runs for the last two wickets. Fair enough with Hussey and Haddin getting runs, even Johnson, but Siddle 35 and Hilfenhaus 13 is poor - especially when the aussie top four scored 31 between them, none higher than Hilfenhaus' 13
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Tremlett out, we might not even make 200
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78/0 to 98/5
181/6 to 187 all out
The only consolation so far is that the aussies decision to drop/"rest" Johnson looks laughable now
But as in any Test series, you can't assume because one team won a Test comfortably that they'll win the next one, even if they bowl the opposition out on the 1st day
Bell is absolutely pivotal in this, he needs to stay in and Swann needs to stay with him like they're married. England may have to settle for a small deficit, I can't see Tremlett, Anderson and Finn putting on many runs although they might hang around.
So Swann gets out. 230-240 would be good from here, in what could be a low scoring game you don't want to be conceding much more than 30-40 runs, although the BBC said :
"I don't think either side will have a very big lead"
Makes me wonder if it is whoever said that's first cricket match, because a "big lead" depends on the pitch and the size of scores, it isn't arbitrarily say 100+ runs or some fixed margin/scale. In 11 1st innings deficits as captain, Strauss has only once overturned a deficit of more than 23 runs to win a Test and that was a win by default as Pakistan were sat crying in their dressing room.
Vaughan only overcame deficits of more than eight runs three times, twice of 35 runs over New Zealand and West Indies and once of 179 runs against New Zealand - no world beaters there! Shows that deficits don't have to be big to be difficult to overturn, neither Vaughan nor Strauss have overturned 1st innings deficits of more than 23 runs against anyone decent.
Owzat added 6 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...
Bell out, that could be a 50+ run lead and 1-1. England just didn't sustain the pressure and keep taking wickets, 68 runs for the 6th wicket, 52 runs for the 7th wicket but perhaps crucially 67 runs for the last two wickets. Fair enough with Hussey and Haddin getting runs, even Johnson, but Siddle 35 and Hilfenhaus 13 is poor - especially when the aussie top four scored 31 between them, none higher than Hilfenhaus' 13
Owzat added 1 Minutes and 18 Seconds later...
Tremlett out, we might not even make 200
Owzat added 8 Minutes and 8 Seconds later...
78/0 to 98/5
181/6 to 187 all out
The only consolation so far is that the aussies decision to drop/"rest" Johnson looks laughable now
But as in any Test series, you can't assume because one team won a Test comfortably that they'll win the next one, even if they bowl the opposition out on the 1st day
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After this bowling performance. Id be interested to know which AUS fans on this site, who still thinks AUS need to pick a spinner & doesn't now support the idea of a 4-man pace attack. being the long term bowling strategy for AUS long term.
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Clarke gone! Oh man, he looked in good touch but now Aussies have to build a partnership.
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This game is still open but you don't fancy England chasing anything above 250-280. Still game on though. Great stuff!
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I'd say that 300-320 is definitely chaseable on this pitch as its actually been pretty flat bar some very good bowling by Johnson and England first up. Just look at how Johnson, Bell and Hussey have batted thus far and is far from a minefield.
Well it's 190/3 now with Watson and Hussey batting, and Haddin and Johnson to come. Australia's 4 best batsmen at the moment. Could be chasing more than 300 unless Swann or Anderson turn in a brilliant spell.
Very well poised at the moment.
Very well poised at the moment.
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Surprise six wickets from Johnson, Australia have actually made a comeback to the Ashes after England left them in tatters in the second test. (it seemed, with the selectors making crazy selections)
Watto going pretty well currently, although they fear Finn who has already grabbed two until now.
They probably should be aiming at a target of above 300.
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109/3.
Watto going pretty well currently, although they fear Finn who has already grabbed two until now.
They probably should be aiming at a target of above 300.
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109/3.
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Aggregate score 196/3
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Swann going for a few here and not looking very threatening at all. England need one of these tonight.
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Well great that Australia are making a fight of it. England have really let an opportunity go to waste to nail this series. Aussies were 68 for 5 at one point and England were 78 for 0 in their own innings: they must have thought they were in. Frankly not good enough. I can only see this one going one way at the moment.
dutchad added 5 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...
Well great that Australia are making a fight of it. England have really let an opportunity go to waste to nail this series. Aussies were 68 for 5 at one point and England were 78 for 0 in their own innings: they must have thought they were in. Frankly not good enough. I can only see this one going one way at the moment.
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