England announce squads for ODI's and Champions Trophy

[Ollie_H]

Kent's opening batsmen, Joe Denly, has been called up to replace the injured Kevin Pietersen in England's one-day squad for their seven ODI series against Australia, plus the subsequent Champions Trophy in South Africa. Denly, 23, is the only uncapped player in a 15-man squad, and will also travel to Old Trafford for the two Twenty20 internationals on August 30 and September 1.

Article found here. The Squads are as follows;

Squad for ODIs v Australia & Champions Trophy: Andrew Strauss (capt), James Anderson, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Paul Collingwood, Joe Denly, Andrew Flintoff, Eoin Morgan, Matt Prior (wk), Adil Rashid, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Graeme Swann, Luke Wright.

Squad for ODI v Ireland: Paul Collingwood (capt), James Anderson, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Joe Denly, Andrew Flintoff, Eoin Morgan, Matt Prior (wk), Adil Rashid, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Graeme Swann, Luke Wright.

Squad for Twenty20 internationals v Australia: Paul Collingwood (capt), James Anderson, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Joe Denly, Andrew Flintoff, Eoin Morgan, Matt Prior (wk), Adil Rashid, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Graeme Swann, Jonathan Trott, Luke Wright.

I imagine if we go down 3-0 early on to the Aussies in the ODI's we could see Denly getting a game, otherwise I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Nice to see the selectors acknolwedging domestic form now! Good to see Trott back in the T20 format, although I still don't think Collingwood should be the T20 captain, it just doesn't suit him. Problem is we don't have anyone else to do it.

Hear Miller explain his reasons on selection.

 

[King Pietersen]

Denly, Shah, Bresnan, Wright and Morgan picked ahead of Trott is laughable. Without Pietersen or the 2nd best OD batsman in the country, Trott in the XI we're screwed. We'll lose the ODi series and not get out of the Group Stage of the Champions Trophy. Awful selections once more. What a surprise. *King Pietersen England XI shocker* As far as I'm concerned we should be going with:

Strauss
Bopara
Joyce
Trott
Collingwood
Prior +
Flintoff
Mascheranas/Wright
Broad
Swann
Anderson/Sidebottom

Sidebottom/Anderson
Shah
Morgan
Another bowler, Masters?

Then either Joyce or Collingwood would be replaced with Pietersen when he's fit. I'd have probably preferred to have seen Michael Lumb in the England squad ahead of Joe Denly as well. Been massively impressed with him whenever I've seen him, I see Denly and Morgan as just picks for this 'future' we seem to be constantly building towards. Collingwood as T20 captain is a joke as well, he's not even a good T20 player. Pietersen should have the captaincy in all forms.

 

[Ollie_H]

I see you picked up my point in the other thread about how it's always the 'future'? Your never happy though are you , you've been calling for Key and Denly, we get Denly and your not happy?

More to the point though it seems good that they have picked Denly as he has been good, I do also agree the selectors are still a bit of a joke without picking Trott. He has been in the T20's, if he does well I think we might see an interesting call up for him to be in the ODI squad.

I much prefer to see Anderson in a ODI shirt that Sidebottom, because I feel that Sidebottom is at that pace (a lot like Tremlett was) where you are easy to hit unless you are a quality bowler, as good as Siddy might be I don't think he is a 'quality' bowler where at that pace he can get a way with it. But he's proved me wrong before and if he gets picked he will probably prove me wrong again.

I think from the squads we have got, my T20 team would be;

Ravi Bopara
Luke Wright
Eoin Morgan/Owais Shah
Matt Prior (wk)
Jonathan Trott
Andrew Flintoff
Paul Collingwood (capt)
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Tim Bresnan/Ryan Sidebottom
James Anderson

Ravi and Wrighty seem to be an alright opening combination, it might need changing, could possibly have prior opening instead or do what England did a few years ago and whack Flintoff up the top. Prior, Wright and Bopara have some attacking impoteus, Morgan/Shah are the touch players who manipulate the field and move the ball around hitting some unorthdox boundarys. Trott and Flintoff are the hitting machines and Colly is there in case of a collapse and cos he's captain, offers a little bit with the ball. IMO Dimi desveres to be there instead of him. The rest are just bowlers, swanny being our only spin option, not something I like because I'm a believer of Spin in T20. Also I would be swinging more towards Bresnan than Sidearse.

My ODI team would be;

Andrew Strauss (capt)
Ravi Bopara
Matt Prior (wk)
Eoin Morgan
Owais Shah
Andrew Flintoff
Luke Wright
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
James Anderson
Ryan Sidebottom/Tim Bresnan

hmm... seems like I have picked the same side pretty much? Congrats selectors , your a bunch of idiots

 

[King Pietersen]

I agree that we shouldn't be constantly looking towards the future, I didn't want Ramprakash in the side because I didn't think he was the right man. But that's a different matter..

I like Joe Denly alot, but I certainly wouldn't have picked him in the ODi squad yet (despite his excellent record this year), especially with Ravi Bopara and Andrew Strauss going nicely opening in ODi's. Sure they have their doubts about Bopara given his Test form, but I'd stick with him in ODi's. Eoin Morgan is another very talented youngster, but I don't see him smacking top sides around in ODi's for a couple years yet, whilst Joyce (has a hundred against the Aussies in ODi's) and Trott would be far more likely to make runs right here and now.

As for Sidebottom being at 'that' pace to hit, his ODi and T20i records beg to differ, especially his T20 record. He has excellent yorkers, swings it and he does bowl at a good pace when fit, was hitting speeds of around 89mph in the T20 WC for example.

Trott and Bopara to open in T20's hopefully. Wright's improved, but he's still abit of a hack. Probably a better option than Prior, but that's not saying much. From the squads we've put out, I'd go with:

ODi's:

Andrew Strauss
Ravi Bopara
Owais Shah (had a cracking year in OD cricket for Middlesex)
Matt Prior +
Eoin Morgan
Paul Collingwood
Andrew Flintoff
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
James Anderson
Ryan Sidebottom

T20's:

Ravi Bopara
Jonathan Trott
Owais Shah
Matt Prior +
Andrew Flintoff
Paul Collingwood (still not convinced he should be in the side, in as a fielder basically)
Luke Wright
Adil Gashid
Stuart Broad
Graeme Swann
Ryan Sidebottom

 

[Ollie_H]

If you didn't think Ramprakash was the right man for the game thats fair enough, I thought he was as he knows the ground and says he feels a lot better than he did all those years ago, but again another matter, tbh it was always wishful thinking.

I know I think that Siddy is at that pace, but it is my view, he is yet to play the aussies in ODI's so if he does get picked it will be interesting to see what happens, I know Siddy's record backs him up which is why I said he had proved me wrong before and he will probably continue to prove me wrong and for the sake of England cricket I hope he does. I suppose you are right and like the rest of England I am judging him on the performances he made when he had a lot of niggles and wasn't bowling at his best.

Between the two swuads I really dont think there is a big room for manoeuvre as the squads are the same, what are your opinions on picking more of a T20 specialist squad? or players who have played the game more and understand it better? Obviously cricketers will understand T20 but people who play the game well on the domestic circuit may be better performers than the International one's who don't play much at all.

 

[King Pietersen]

Not sure about that really. It didn't work in the first T20 WC when we picked Maddy, Kirtley, Schofield and whoever else, so I'd be abit tentative in picking so called 'T20' specialists, but I'd make a few changes. If everyone's fit I'd like to see us going into T20's with: (oh god, this is my 4th XI of the page :laugh)

1. Ravi Bopara
2. Michael Lumb (warning, I am a Lumb fanboy, really like watching him bat)
3. Kevin Pietersen *
4. Jonathan Trott
5. Owais Shah
6. Andrew Flintoff
7. Graham Napier
8. James Foster +
9. Stuart Broad
10. Graeme Swann
11. Ryan Sidebottom

Got 5 out and out batsmen, with batting down to 9, possibly 10 if you could count Swann. The best keeper in England, and 5 very good bowlers. The only guy I'm not too sure about is Lumb, but I like watching him bat, and he's had an excellent season in all forms, so bugger it, he's in.

 

[Sureshot]

Wow, deluded much? You bemoan England's selectors for more poor selections, then mention David Masters! You also include Graham Napier in the T20s, despite him having a woeful season and a player who has never had the quality to be an England player. Wright is also far more than a hack and his batting has improved immensely this season. Averaging 40 odd in the championship, and with several match winning performances with both bat and ball in all forms. If we're going on players who hae good domestic form, Wright has to play. He's a match winner with both the bat and the ball.

I'm surprised Trott isn't in the squad. If he helps us win the Ashes, expect to find him in there, especially as I don't see Fred playing beyond the Ashes without further, immediate surgery.

My ODI team for Aussies:

Andrew Strauss (capt), James Anderson, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Paul Collingwood, Joe Denly, Andrew Flintoff, Eoin Morgan, Matt Prior (wk), Adil Rashid, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Graeme Swann, Luke Wright.

1. Andrew Strauss
2. Ravi Bopara
3. Luke Wright (it's where he's been successful for us in OD)
4. Owais Shah
5. Paul Collingwood
6. Matt Prior
7. Andrew Flintoff
8. Stuart Broad
9. Graeme Swann
10. James Anderson
11. Ryan Sidebottom

I think that's a strong batting line up, combined with lots of bowling options. Only one who wouldn't bowl is Strauss (and Prior obviously). Good fielding unit too. I think without KP we have to bat deep, I think this side does that with Swann in at 9.

 

[Ollie_H]

We all love posting XI's (Y), I wouldn't say I want to pick a plethora of specialist T20 players but I do think that the squads should be fairly different, there should be some more power and shabang in the T20 squad where as the ODI squad should have a mix of hard hitting and 'gap finders'

Luke Wright looks to be becoming a much better batsmen, he plays some big shots and some are now real cricket shots, he played a few lovely shots at the weekend and is starting to look like a fair cricketer.

 

[Sureshot]

I'd put in Trott for Strauss in the above line up for T20s. Shift the order around.

 

[Mercules]

Denly, Shah, Bresnan, Wright and Morgan picked ahead of Trott is laughable. Without Pietersen or the 2nd best OD batsman in the country, Trott in the XI we're screwed. We'll lose the ODi series and not get out of the Group Stage of the Champions Trophy. Awful selections once more. What a surprise. *King Pietersen England XI shocker* As far as I'm concerned we should be going with:

Strauss
Bopara
Joyce
Trott
Collingwood
Prior +
Flintoff
Mascheranas/Wright
Broad
Swann
Anderson/Sidebottom

Sidebottom/Anderson
Shah
Morgan
Another bowler, Masters?

After Pietersen, Shah's been our best ODI batsman of the past few years, there's no sense in dropping him.

 

[Howsie]

Wow, deluded much? You bemoan England's selectors for more poor selections, then mention David Masters! You also include Graham Napier in the T20s, despite him having a woeful season and a player who has never had the quality to be an England player. Wright is also far more than a hack and his batting has improved immensely this season. Averaging 40 odd in the championship, and with several match winning performances with both bat and ball in all forms. If we're going on players who hae good domestic form, Wright has to play. He's a match winner with both the bat and the ball.

:laugh

Sure he is. He's just a flat out hack, his batting in the T20 WC looked as bad as ever.

Andrew Strauss (capt), James Anderson, Ravi Bopara, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Paul Collingwood, Joe Denly, Andrew Flintoff, Eoin Morgan, Matt Prior (wk), Adil Rashid, Owais Shah, Ryan Sidebottom, Graeme Swann, Luke Wright.

That team is so poor. Struass, Anderson, Prior, Bresnan, Wright are such bad one day players. (Might be a little harsh on Bresnan). Bopara, Rashid, Shah, Morgan still haven't proven anything at the international level (I know Rashid and Morgan haven't played that many games). Denly, a one season wonder maybe. This is his first decent season is it not?

Prepare to be flogged I say.

 

[aussie1st]

You guys have named your Champions trophy squad earlier. ODI side looks pretty good at least your selectors are trying things there.

 

[Ollie_H]

:laugh

Sure he is. He's just a flat out hack, his batting in the T20 WC looked as bad as ever.



That team is so poor. Struass, Anderson, Prior, Bresnan, Wright are such bad one day players. (Might be a little harsh on Bresnan). Bopara, Rashid, Shah, Morgan still haven't proven anything at the international level (I know Rashid and Morgan haven't played that many games). Denly, a one season wonder maybe. This is his first decent season is it not?

Prepare to be flogged I say.

Yes he did look like a flat out hack in the T20, but now he is starting to play decent strokes, he's never gonna be an incredibly classy batsmen to watch like Tendulkar or Lara but he's gonna hit it hard and if it goes, it's gonna go a distance.

I also think your being a little harsh on your views on English ODI cricket, as Mercules said, after Pietersen, Shah has been our best ODI batsmen, Bopara is doing alright for us, would much rather have Strauss skippering than Colly. Rashid doesn't even playing ODI cricket? Morgan has only played a few games, and actually Denly's been performing for a while now.

 

[Aditya]

Agree with aussie1st odi squad look's quite good because of strauss prior flintoff and other's i think they should have taken trescothick or ramprakash in odi squad.

 

[Ollie_H]

Agree with aussie1st odi squad look's quite good because of strauss prior flintoff and other's i think they should have taken trescothick or ramprakash in odi squad.

No, no no no, just a complete no. Trescothick can't go abroad or International cricket because of his serious stress related illness, he might not even be able to join Somerset in the Champions league. If he does, he's said he's gonna have to buy a house out there to live in and make it is home while he's there to make sure he doesn't get ill again.

Ramprakash was only ever gonna come back in the Test format and only for 5th test, if he'd performed maybe, but thats a LONG shot!

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You guys have named your Champions trophy squad earlier. ODI side looks pretty good at least your selectors are trying things there.

We named a 30 man squad for the Champions trophy? But this is the trimmed down final squad.