England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13
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Good play by our batsmen. Tiwary played a very good innings today, but I am not too optimistic of him being selected in the test side. He should be given a go in the tests. He is far better than the Rohit Sharma's or the Raina's or even Yuvraj.
Mukund has been showing exemplary form in recent times. Hope that puts him as the front runner for one of the opening slots. Even if the selectors decide to persist with Sehwag-Gambhir, atleast Mukund can seal the backup opener slot.
Mukund has been showing exemplary form in recent times. Hope that puts him as the front runner for one of the opening slots. Even if the selectors decide to persist with Sehwag-Gambhir, atleast Mukund can seal the backup opener slot.
BBC Sport - Steven Finn injured in England v India A warm-up match
Hope it isn't anything serious. He was literally our only positive a year back in the 5-0 ODI series drubbing!
Hope it isn't anything serious. He was literally our only positive a year back in the 5-0 ODI series drubbing!
Tiwary has gained a place in my book. Very good knock considering he was mainly batting with the tail, just what we come to expect of a true #6, something VVS Laxman did so well in his tenure.
My batting side for the Tests based on this one inning and previous form:
1. Mukund
2. Sehwag
3. Pujara
4. Tendulkar
5. Kohli
6. Tiwary
7. Dhoni*?
My batting side for the Tests based on this one inning and previous form:
1. Mukund
2. Sehwag
3. Pujara
4. Tendulkar
5. Kohli
6. Tiwary
7. Dhoni*?
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Hmm i see.
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Let's face it, the fans only come to see DLF Maximums.
So much for India's tactic of depriving England of spin bowling practice.
33 overs into the innings, and 11 have been bowled by the part-time spinners (Yuvraj, Raina and Tiwary).
It's only part-timers...but I would have liked to have seen them go all the way and not let England face any spin in a match situation until the first Test.
33 overs into the innings, and 11 have been bowled by the part-time spinners (Yuvraj, Raina and Tiwary).
It's only part-timers...but I would have liked to have seen them go all the way and not let England face any spin in a match situation until the first Test.
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This warm-up attack is fairly crap and runs should be judged with a pinch of salt, but Patel regardless may very well and end up playing as the # 6/7 batsman in this series for England.
Mainly because in these conditions, i really think England will want a 5th bowler to bowl 15 overs per day, to competently to back-up the 4-man attack (whether its 3 quicks + 1 spinners or 2 quicks + 2 spinners).
So the better batsman in Bairstow will not play i reckon, at least for the intial 2 tests maybe.
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All this uncertainly about India's top 6, gives me belief that England can upset the odds here and win this series.
Mainly because in these conditions, i really think England will want a 5th bowler to bowl 15 overs per day, to competently to back-up the 4-man attack (whether its 3 quicks + 1 spinners or 2 quicks + 2 spinners).
So the better batsman in Bairstow will not play i reckon, at least for the intial 2 tests maybe.
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All this uncertainly about India's top 6, gives me belief that England can upset the odds here and win this series.
There is absolutely no uncertainty about India's top 6. We already know the people who will feature in those roles. He has just posted a team based on the form of some players and performance from the practice match. This is the batting lineup you are likely to see in the 1st test match. I think Yuvraj has cemented his spot ahead of Raina.
Sehwag
Gambhir
Pujara
Sachin
Kohli
Yuvraj
Dhoni
And I wouldn't say England can't win. They can, infect this is their best chance to win a series in India because of our inexperienced middle order of this format(excluding Sachin). But still India will walk out as favorites as they are playing in home conditions.
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If not Yuvraj, it should be Tiwary. This would be a good 15 for our team:
Sehwag, Gambhir, Pujara, Sachin, Kohli, Yuvraj, Tiwary, Dhoni, Saha, Ashwin, Ojha, Harbhajan/Irfan, Zaheer, Ishant, Yadav
Divided between Harbhajan and Irfan. Whether we need an additional spinner or a fast bowler. In Indian conditions, I am tempted towards an additional spinner.
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Uncertainty for the reasons you stated in bold, along with the fact Gambhir/Sehwag have been owned technically by good fast-bowlers in the last 18 months. They are just a failure away in the first test, from throwing the balance of the entire batting line-up into further shaky state.
Plus we all know how iffy Raina/Yuvraj/Dhoni are as test batsmen. So essentially, only Kohli is in real form going into the first test. Thus England's quicks have much reason to feel they can keep that batting line-up quiet on current form.
Thus as i see it, England batsmen just have to play Ashwin/Ojha and whichever other spinner India may pick, competently & they would win.
Such a task the more i think about it is very manageable, because they don't give me the same fear factor as a spin duo compared to when Kumble/Harbhajan was the main spin duo 5-6 years ago in Indian conditions.
Along with the fact that hard testing England had vs Pakistan & Sri Lanka earlier this year facing Ajmal/Rehman/Herath/Randiv puts them in better position to play spin in India right now, than most people may be willing to give them credit for.
India by default will start favourites, by the looking at their squad, the strength of their "favourites" tag is not as strong as previous Indian sides @ home over the past decade. I would be willing to say now that this is the weakest Indian side in home conditions that i've seen in my lifetime of watching cricket.
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I don't have anything against Tiwary but I think Yuvraj will give us that another spin option. I know that Tiwary has been sitting out for a while but I still feel that Yuvraj is the right option for this series because we are also lacking the experience factor in this series.
I don't have any sympathy with Sehwag. I hate his attitude of being "I don't care if I get out but that's the way I will play". I feel that he is completely wasting the talent. He should look at Chris Gayle for example, I know he is not as powerful as Gayle but he still has the ability to hit any bowler out of the ground. But he is just not doing that. Gambhir is going through a rough patch right but I feel he will come back strongly.
You are forgetting Pujara. That guy is a genuinely good player and he is in form. He will be surely tested against England attack but he will get a review of it during Mumbai A vs England 11 game. And this will be a test for Sachin as well to show how good is he still. I think he will call it off if he does not get enough runs.
I agree about Yuvraj and Dhoni. They are scratchy at test level but there is no option for replacement for WK right now. There is no keeper in India right now who is better then Dhoni. I felt Saha was coming along nicely but then again, he missed 3 opportunities yesterday in practice game which allowed England to score so many runs. So we have to continue with Dhoni until we find a better keeper at domestic level. I don't know what to say about Yuvraj. He has looked in decent touch so far but as Dhoni mentioned, his fitness will be another point. He should be ready to field for a longer time.
I don't agree with your comments about Ojha and Ashwin. Yes, they are won't be as dangerous as Kumble/Harbhajan because they are still learning. But they are still good enough to run through this England batting lineup.You said that England players just have to play out Ojha and Ashwin but it won't be an easy thing to do. The carrom ball of Ashwin is very hard to pick and people always underestimate Ojha. Ojha is a very good spinner as well. He can consistently hit a line and length and force the batsman to make mistake.
This Indian team is not as strong as the other teams that we had before and that is the reason I said that this will be England's best chance to win a series in India. Earlier this year, when we toured Australia, it was the weakest Australian team we faced and it was our best chance to win a series in Australia but the result was totally opposite of what we(Indian fans) expected. So England team has a good chance to win the series but India will still come out as favorites.
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IMO Ashwin/Ojha will be about the same level of difficulty that Herath/Randiv were when England were in Sri Lanka, who they handled fairly ok, especially in the final test. Both spin duo's are certainly a level below what Kumble/Harbhajan were @ their peaks.
Didn't forget about Pujara, he certainly looks good. But replacing the aura & overall package of Dravid @ # 3 is such a monumental task, especially with his openers out of form & Sachin a big unknown right now. So i reckon he is under some pressure to keep stepping up.
True when India went to AUS last year, it was the weakest AUS team they would have faced in AUS conditions probably since the 1980s. But i think task of England conquering India now is a bit easier (although still difficult) than India had of conquering AUS @ home last year.
Didn't forget about Pujara, he certainly looks good. But replacing the aura & overall package of Dravid @ # 3 is such a monumental task, especially with his openers out of form & Sachin a big unknown right now. So i reckon he is under some pressure to keep stepping up.
True when India went to AUS last year, it was the weakest AUS team they would have faced in AUS conditions probably since the 1980s. But i think task of England conquering India now is a bit easier (although still difficult) than India had of conquering AUS @ home last year.
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