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Took the word right out my mouth..
England In India - October 2011/12
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Took the word right out my mouth..
England v India, 1st ODI, Chester-le-Street: MS Dhoni questions DRS handling | Cricket News | England v India 2011 | ESPN Cricinfo
So technology wrong yet again or third umpires mistake?
Dhoni said:
So technology wrong yet again or third umpires mistake?
ferg512
International Coach
I'll have to see some of this game when I get home, but regarding the DRS from day one they have been going the wrong way about this, it is supposed to be for absolute howlers. The way it is used atm is a joke. You need to be 100% certain it was out or not out, otherwise if it could go either way the umpires decision needs to stay. Half the time they just chance it, and see what happens. Also, there should be a time limit also on referrals, I have seen some where it takes them around 30 seconds. I'm assuming we still don't have it for LBWs this series??
As the past couple of months have gone, I have done a bit of a u-turn with DRS. I was completely in favour of it previously, but I'm not so sure anymore.
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Although I don't agree with batsman getting the benefit of the doubt, that has been that way for a while now and Dhoni is right. For close runouts they have given the batsman the benefit of the doubt for years now.
As the past couple of months have gone, I have done a bit of a u-turn with DRS. I was completely in favour of it previously, but I'm not so sure anymore.
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Although I don't agree with batsman getting the benefit of the doubt, that has been that way for a while now and Dhoni is right. For close runouts they have given the batsman the benefit of the doubt for years now.
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BKB1991
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Lol I feel for India, just when the tour looked to get better for them..
angryangy
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Better question would be when were England really in the game? Maybe right at the end of the Indian innings? If so, it was brief, because although it looked like a score that was only just par, India then had the early wickets which went no length towards an England win. Sure, England could have won, but when the rain came they were still back-loading their effort.
I mean, we talk at length about why England can't transfer its success into ODIs and there were some examples here. If it was a Test, they'd have started more aggressively, with more attacking fields and probably even open with Broad. Imagine if they had a guy with a broken finger at gully or third slip in a Test. How is backward point a more sensible position? Of course there are some different nuances to limited overs, but they seem to do away with some of the core principles that make them an effective side.
Did I say I'd drop him? No, I didn't.
Right, all DRS was he out, wasn't he conversation to be done in the cricket discussion thread. I'll just delete posts (or parts of) in here that talk about it, silly having the same discussion in two threads.
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India's batsman finally seemed to get a grip but the pitch was very flat. The second ODI should be interesting.
On the subject of Rashid, I don't think he should be completely isolated from the squad. His overall career stats atm are pretty good, especially for a spinner in English conditions. I would say, with Swann playing it is hard for Rashid to be picked but based purely on talent and the "x" factor that Rashid can provide with his bowling, he should be ear marked as a replacement and when Swann isn't playing, given a shot above guys like Patel or Tredwell who are simply slow pace trundlers.
On the subject of Rashid, I don't think he should be completely isolated from the squad. His overall career stats atm are pretty good, especially for a spinner in English conditions. I would say, with Swann playing it is hard for Rashid to be picked but based purely on talent and the "x" factor that Rashid can provide with his bowling, he should be ear marked as a replacement and when Swann isn't playing, given a shot above guys like Patel or Tredwell who are simply slow pace trundlers.
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4 donkeys? No no no no how DARE HE SAY THAT!!!!!
I saw at least 11
Umair7
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People Only See Hussain And Vaughan Comment What About Ravi Shastri
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RAVI Shastri slams English press and Hussain, by mentioning "England aren't the Bloody no:1 to even open their mouth to comment on Indian Cricket"
Guess what: Hussain
Nobody in this world is more proud than me, about india being No:1, Fact is "Indian's are unable to digest that Eng are predominant"
And Then This Goes On
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I Saw 11 Donkeys
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Yes It Is True I Have Seen On His Official Twitter Account
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RAVI Shastri slams English press and Hussain, by mentioning "England aren't the Bloody no:1 to even open their mouth to comment on Indian Cricket"
Guess what: Hussain
Nobody in this world is more proud than me, about india being No:1, Fact is "Indian's are unable to digest that Eng are predominant" And Then This Goes On
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I Saw 11 Donkeys
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Yes It Is True I Have Seen On His Official Twitter Account
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England take the pressure off at the wrong times, poor captaincy usually. England were in the game at 87/2 during India's innings, but when you don't pick up wickets (and drop catches) you let the game get away from you. England are perhaps too used to going spells with nothing happening, nothing happening is not good in ODIs
England look like thoroughbreds in Tests, like donkeys in ODIs. Why? Because in Tests there are plenty of chances to have a bad session and pull it back, or to dig in and dig your way out of trouble. In ODIs you can't afford long bad spells, long spells without wickets, long spells of slow run rates etc.
Of course look at the England bowlers and you have four Test bowlers - Anderson, Swann, Broad and Bresnan. Even if they have skills suited to ODI bowling, when do they get the chance to practise them? What is England's answer when a Test batsman digs in? Usually a short pitched routine, not really going to be much use in ODIs.
What do we do in terms of batsmen? Play steady eddy scorers in Bell and Trott in the top 3-4, bring in Cook as captain who is best building innings in Tests and a wicket-keeper to try and slog with two naturally quicker runscorers in Morgan and Pietersen. Might seem balanced, but you need all parts to function and all of them need to know when to attack, when to consolidate, when to accelerate etc. Again, when do Cook, Trott, Bell, Pietersen and to a lesser degree Morgan get to practise in domestic one dayers?
C5 made a meal of the fielding practice England do, it's ok if catches are mainly regulation but all the practice in the world won't make for world class fielders and England still drop catches. That's merely an aside/observation
There is one thing to be said for at least trialling separate ODI to Test squads, that is that we can have a look at 11+ candidates to play in the World Cup and not just odd spatterings. If every time a Shah, Bopara, Stokes, Rashid, Patel etc doesn't have a good series or few games they're dropped then we're not going to find out who is up to it, especially if 6-7 out of 11 are Test players - and it begs the question on what basis Test players are picked for ODIs.....................
The thing is, of those Test players, who are players you wouldn't actually have in the team?
Bell is an obvious choice. Bresnan perhaps, he's sort of 50/50 in ODI's. Cook was superb against Sri Lanka and you'd be made to drop Swann or Broad.
Bell is an obvious choice. Bresnan perhaps, he's sort of 50/50 in ODI's. Cook was superb against Sri Lanka and you'd be made to drop Swann or Broad.
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No hundredth 100 any sooner. Poor guy, feel for him.
No hundredth 100 any sooner. Poor guy, feel for him.
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Won't be surprised if I saw 11 debutants playing in last ODI for India.
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Funny, what a shame then, they were losing from donkeys.
Ravi, Hussain and Vaughn (esp) are just being trolls throughout the series. Grow up guys.
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People Only See Hussain And Vaughan Comment What About Ravi Shastri
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RAVI Shastri slams English press and Hussain, by mentioning "England aren't the Bloody no:1 to even open their mouth to comment on Indian Cricket"
Guess what: Hussain
And Then This Goes On
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I Saw 11 Donkeys
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Yes It Is True I Have Seen On His Official Twitter Account
Funny, what a shame then, they were losing from donkeys.
Ravi, Hussain and Vaughn (esp) are just being trolls throughout the series. Grow up guys.
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