England In India - October 2011/12

[Aalay]

It was. I remember someone saying Sehwag in his 'first' match of the tour against Northamptonshire, got out for 8 to a guy who was no more than a player being experimented (trialed) by the Northants. That's a real shame tbh.

This was a poor reply.On a bad day a, player can get out to any bowler. There's nothing to fell shame about.

In Aussie conditions, one rarely needs a quality bowler of spin. Plus, everyone here knows the trio of Johnson, Harris & Copeland are much better on paper to the Indian trio of Zak (doubtful), Praveen & Ishant at least on Australian soil.

I think you are forgetting how Ishant bowled last time we were there. Copeland is pretty much like Praveen Kumar as he can move the ball with same speed as Praveen Kumar. But than again he can't swing it as much as Praveen. I haven't lately seen Johnson bowling good enough in longer format. Harris will surely be a new package for us and I like his bowling,too. I hope Zaheer will be fit for that tour.

 

[Papa_Smurf]

In TESTs though India was very very poor team and were rightly fount out by the English.

Yeah, but so were the Aussies.

 

[1iram1]

Will England be any good without their main bowlers (Anderson and Broad), their in form batsmen (Trott, Bell and Cook)? India are without their 3 excellent ODI batsman (Sachin, Sehwag and Gambhir) and most importantly without their most important bowler on whom they depend a lot (Zaheer).

Anderson is not really a good ODI bowler and Trott is out of form, Bell only gets starts in ODIs but I do agree with you on Cook. The problem with India is they depend too much on Tendulkar and Zaheer. He should retire after he scores his 100th ton and Zaheer will only play until the next year before retiring from tests and the next year will retire from ODIs, mark my words. And Sehwag is only good in India. Gambhir might be the only one who they are really missing.

 

[0601731]

Anderson is not really a good ODI bowler and Trott is out of form, Bell only gets starts in ODIs but I do agree with you on Cook. The problem with India is they depend too much on Tendulkar and Zaheer. He should retire after he scores his 100th ton and Zaheer will only play until the next year before retiring from tests and the next year will retire from ODIs, mark my words. And Sehwag is only good in India. Gambhir might be the only one who they are really missing.

Man of the series in World cup 2011...ring a bell??

 

[1iram1]

Man of the series in World cup 2011...ring a bell??

No but Aditya didn't mention him. But he played poorly in the test.

 

[Aalay]

No but Aditya didn't mention him. But he played poorly in the test.

Poorly? He made a fighting 62 in the first innings before getting injured in the second inning.

 

[Papa_Smurf]

Poorly? He made a fighting 62 in the first innings before getting injured in the second inning.

That's because he mostly faced Swann and the part-timers (after being dropped early). Once the seamers came back, he was gone in an instant.

 

[Aalay]

That's because he mostly faced Swann and the part-timers (after being dropped early). Once the seamers came back, he was gone in an instant.

Yes but he also has a habit of getting out to off spinners early in his innings and Swann is best in business right now. SO he did play well in that innings.

 

[SaiSrini]

India will be thrashed by Australia if we play the same team that we played against England here in the tests. Even if the regular batters like Sehwag, Gambhir are fully fit enough, to win in Australia, we need a fully fit Zaheer Khan which now looks highly unlikely. Zaheer is going to rush himself trying to get fit for Australia and who knows even if he gets to Australia, he will break down somewhere and go back home. Ishant is carrying an injury for which he says he will get surgery done after the Australia tour. And Praveen Kumar will be found out pretty badly in conditions that dont aid swing (Australia is not a land of swing). Just hope we find a good bowler by the time we touch Australia. And IF I SEE RAINA ANYWHERE NEAR THE TEST TEAM WHEN WE TOUR AUSTRALIA, then I wont even bother watching the series. Rahane or Pujara or Rohit Sharma should take that spot. Not even Yuvraj.

 

[jacobfelix]

After today's match, the next one is slated for Sep 16th.....What was the need for such a huge gap

 

[Themer]

How is that a huge gap?

Pretty standard, allows players to get a rest and the game to start Friday night so there'll be a better crowd.

 

[Owzat]

After today's match, the next one is slated for Sep 16th.....What was the need for such a huge gap

It was silly to have the ODIs so late anyway, day nighters to boot and scheduled to coincide with an England qualifier Ridiculous scheduling, if you're going to play an ODI the same time as football is on then at least get the game over, or mostly over, before the game kicks off

Let's just have a little look at England form over their (the players not team) last 20 ODIs.

Cook : 888 runs @ 46.74
Kieswetter : 622 runs @ 32.74
Bell : 475 runs @ 26.39
Trott : 989 runs @ 58.18
Morgan : 655 runs @ 38.53
Bopara : 459 runs @ 27.00
Bresnan : 192 runs @ 14.77 & 31 wkts @ 29.74
Broad : 54 runs @ 6.75 & 31 wkts @ 30.97
Swann : 116 runs @ 14.50 & 35 wkts @ 22.51
Anderson : 45 runs @ 15.00 & 28 wkts @ 32.93
Dernbach (8 ODIs) : 8 runs @ 8.00 & 13 wkts @ 32.62

Bell has scored just ONE ODI hundred, that four years ago. Bopara still has an ODI career highest score of just 60. Bresnan has made five scores of 20+ in his last 13 innings and not reached 30 (with seven single figure scores)

Swann only averages 13.76 in ODIs with the bat, mostly batting at nine. But at eight he averages 17.67 with his highest score of 34 while Broad's best batting position statistically is nine - why not swap them round?!?!? Broad isn't in great form with the bat anyway, not like it can really hurt. I think Swann has enough in him to average 20+ at seven, playing enough cameos and longer knocks when required.

The seamers are all much of a muchness, nothing that special and all averaging around 1.5 wickets per ODI - over 20 ODIs Dernbach would take 32.5 wickets so all fall within 28-33 wickets over 20 ODIs. I wonder if a team without a top quality wicket taker can win the World Cup, someone who can bowl when needed and take apart batting line-ups. Sure any of our bowlers CAN do it, but can they do it when it is required. Broad (?) did against South Africa at the World Cup, but what about against Ireland or Bangladesh? (0/73 against Ireland, didn't play Bangladesh) No good thrilling the crowd every now and then, Anderson is another who chucks in too many 0-fers and 1-fer-alots

 

[angryangy]

ye gods, steve finn playing? it's the rapture

 

[Owzat]

I don't like the idea of Finn playing ODIs, he's expensive enough in Tests.

I'm beginning to wonder if reservations over Cook as captain weren't justified, his batting is fine but is there anything about him that might make him a World Cup winning captain? Win toss, bowl first - is that Cook in four words? And how many continents will that tactic work on? We need to be a bit more dynamic than we have been if we want to win the World Cup.

I see we've gone with the Bell-Bop, time for one or both to make me regret posting those stats. I can't believe Bopara has 62 caps and done next to nothing (overall) The odd chip-in score, averages 28.66 with a HS of 60 and at a relatively pedestrian rate of 74.05. His 13 wickets at 34.38 are handy but he's never going to be used enough to make his bow come out enough for that string (in his bow) to be useful - he's bowled near enough 90 overs in 60 ODIs

 

[ferg512]

I'm a little skeptical of these speed guns tbh. Finn bowling 95mph?? He looked pretty quick but around 89-90 more like.