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he's still in the squadDamn it. What does Aaron have to do to get a game?
England In India - October 2011/12
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One thing I notice after watching Englan for several games is that their bowling is just as crappy as India's is. Maybe little better but they are very close to us. Forgot who said it but it was one of the bowlers from England, probably Finn, who said that we will try to use sledging to get the Indians out of their comfort zone because there is not much we can do in these bowling conditions as the ball is not bouncing enough. So here they don't have the skills to do what top quality bowlers can do in any conditions. Zaheer, Dale Styne, Malinga can do anything in any conditions. England bowlers certainly lack the skills and the only weapon they have against any team is to play on home pitches and throw in some good bouncers and expect the batsmen to make mistakes. That is a shame that they chose the sledging way to bring down the Indian batting and at the end, it landed on their heads as a 5 wicket defeat.
Which Tiwary are you talking about? Manoj Tiwary is not a 'hit and miss' guy. Saurabh Tiwary fits your definition better!
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I think Dhoni will go with Aaron for the 4th ODI. He goes by seniority when it comes to picking players from the bench (thats why he gives Vinay Kumar more chances).
Not enough wickets, 11 taken by England's bowlers in three ODIs and our eighth defeat in a full ODI out of eight since the 2007 World Cup where we've taken only five wickets.
Bopara has bowled 8-0-50-0 - why?!?!?!? Pietersen has bowled 2-0-13-0, slightly smaller why but nonetheless still ineffective. The "grand plan", and I assume it is in England's plan and they haven't just gone in with four bowlers :
Patel/Pietersen/Bopara : 30 overs, 1 wkt @ 179.00 (SR 180.00, ER 5.97)
So the fifth bowler (make up) just gives away runs at a rate which produces totals of 298 if sustained and only taken one wicket.
Batting wise England have done ok, but the openers including pinch-kiesw-hitter have scored 106 runs between them @ 17.67 and both of them have scored within a few runs in the one innings - Cook 63 runs, HS 60 and Kieswetter 43 runs, HS 36. Not a match winning innings between them, one good knock and four failures.
0-3 isn't too much of a surprise, while Indian fans witter on about 'home advantage' and 'you had it, now we've got it', they clearly don't understand how much of an advantage home is when it comes to spin. Good spinners can succeed in England, decent spinners can take lots of wickets in India, but it isn't just about the bowling and being able to play it, but also the batsmen who are used to those conditions which aren't found all over the world or it wouldn't have such an impact.
Plus of course India had Tests before the one day series, England have had a warm up match and no Tests. Not that it will make a difference, England traditionally struggle in India so this series was pointless beyond belief - in timing, in terms of being a contest which it isn't and other reasons. But then it is part of the quid pro quo attitude some countries have to cricket, we played you this, there and then, you have to play us here, this and now.
As for attitude, while England may not be producing performances worthy of winning, they are trying whether they think ODIs are pointless or not. India gave up halfway through the Test series and I strongly believe could have done better in the ODIs had they gone in with any heads held high. I think they just expected things to happen, the FARCE that was the on-off D/L tie summed up the series nicely
Bopara has bowled 8-0-50-0 - why?!?!?!? Pietersen has bowled 2-0-13-0, slightly smaller why but nonetheless still ineffective. The "grand plan", and I assume it is in England's plan and they haven't just gone in with four bowlers :
Patel/Pietersen/Bopara : 30 overs, 1 wkt @ 179.00 (SR 180.00, ER 5.97)
So the fifth bowler (make up) just gives away runs at a rate which produces totals of 298 if sustained and only taken one wicket.
Batting wise England have done ok, but the openers including pinch-kiesw-hitter have scored 106 runs between them @ 17.67 and both of them have scored within a few runs in the one innings - Cook 63 runs, HS 60 and Kieswetter 43 runs, HS 36. Not a match winning innings between them, one good knock and four failures.
0-3 isn't too much of a surprise, while Indian fans witter on about 'home advantage' and 'you had it, now we've got it', they clearly don't understand how much of an advantage home is when it comes to spin. Good spinners can succeed in England, decent spinners can take lots of wickets in India, but it isn't just about the bowling and being able to play it, but also the batsmen who are used to those conditions which aren't found all over the world or it wouldn't have such an impact.
Plus of course India had Tests before the one day series, England have had a warm up match and no Tests. Not that it will make a difference, England traditionally struggle in India so this series was pointless beyond belief - in timing, in terms of being a contest which it isn't and other reasons. But then it is part of the quid pro quo attitude some countries have to cricket, we played you this, there and then, you have to play us here, this and now.
As for attitude, while England may not be producing performances worthy of winning, they are trying whether they think ODIs are pointless or not. India gave up halfway through the Test series and I strongly believe could have done better in the ODIs had they gone in with any heads held high. I think they just expected things to happen, the FARCE that was the on-off D/L tie summed up the series nicely
Dunno whether to say-a good comeback by India, or poor cricket by England. I agree with Owzat when he says that the ODIs in England could have been better had India not given up halfway through the Test series.
As far as this series is concerned, Enlgnad is at almost full-strength as opposed to India's B team.The main reason why the English have struggled is due the the effectiveness of Indian tweakers and the inability of the English to play spin well.All said and done, its given the Indians some hope about their team now.
For the remainder of the ODIs, ideally I would like India to go on with the winning combo to effect a 5-0 victory.A couple of changes could be made in the sense that Raina could be rested to make way for Tiwary and either of Aravind or Aaron should get a chance.
Also, I feel that the Indian captain and Raina would probably take rest for the entire series against the Windies as it is required of both them.
As far as this series is concerned, Enlgnad is at almost full-strength as opposed to India's B team.The main reason why the English have struggled is due the the effectiveness of Indian tweakers and the inability of the English to play spin well.All said and done, its given the Indians some hope about their team now.
For the remainder of the ODIs, ideally I would like India to go on with the winning combo to effect a 5-0 victory.A couple of changes could be made in the sense that Raina could be rested to make way for Tiwary and either of Aravind or Aaron should get a chance.
Also, I feel that the Indian captain and Raina would probably take rest for the entire series against the Windies as it is required of both them.
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Can't wait to see India's supposed A team one day, where are you hiding all of these superstars?!
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Also since India have already wrapped up the series...the board should relieve Gambhir much earlier so that he concentrate on his marriage 
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Sledging should not be personal. As long as it is witty or funny its okay. Just follow the banter which is going on between KP and Yuvi on twitter. It will give you a chuckle or two.
Here is how it all started.
Some recent ones:
Here is how it all started.
Yuvarj's injuy has made him unavailable in the ongoing India's home series against England, and looks like Kevin Pietersen is missing Yuvi on the field! So, KP took a go against Yuvi on Twitter.
"Oi pie chucker @yuvsingh09 , you scared to bowl to me this series?? Is that why you not playing?? Ha ha" - KP tweeted.
For which Yuvi replied "Oye peter bhaiya!@kevinpp24 this is your chance to score some runs cause piechucker is not bowling to you haha".
In Reply Kevin Pietersen tweeted "@yuvsingh09 let's hope so!! Didn't start to well.. At least I fielded like you... Ha ha"
"@kevinpp24 haha well fielded mate!and the The best fielders field inside the circle" - Yuvraj Bantered.
For which Kevin Pietersen expressed his ablities to be the quickest on the field, despite being 31 years old. "@yuvsingh09 unfortunately I'm quickest(still at 31) so I gotta patrol the boundary.. See you soon pie chucker!!" - tweeted KP.
But Yuvraj didn't stop! "@kevinpp24 cheers old man! coming with a new pie soon!" Yuvi tweeted.
Some recent ones:
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It's about the head, I'm talking about. I'd give Saurabh Tiwary a go, he has a cricketing brain which I feel Manoj doesn't have.
Why are you hating Manoj Tiwary? That guys has a first class average of 55. And he is technically strong enough to get some chances. At least more then Murli Vijay for sure.
I am expecting Varun to play tomorrow. Hopefully they will consider Tiwary in place of Parthiv Patel.
I feel the pain...but personally I think the job starts with the first 4 bowlers and when I look through the scorecards, the England lads aren't doing the job. When was the last time England had anyone 3 for less than 50? Back vs SL when Anderson was in the team and the conditions were juicy. Edit: The India ODI at The Oval (3rd?) they did too, but they certainly haven't been regularly striking at the top. Get Raina and Dhoni in early and there might be a change.
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