England Team Discussion

You aren't getting an extra bowler in though. You're are essentially replacing Roy with Taylor. You've still got 6 bowlers which is what they've had the whole SA series.
Yes, I think i misunderstood you. I thought you were agreeing on Taylor coming in, and saying that you dont want ali to open. Having the 6 bowlers for me is key, 7 bowlers is too many, especially cos in emergency Root could bowl
 
Just noticed Liam Dawson wasn't part of the squad photo for the T20 series, wasn't he added to the squad for the SA tour or is he just over to train with them?
 
Just noticed Liam Dawson wasn't part of the squad photo for the T20 series, wasn't he added to the squad for the SA tour or is he just over to train with them?

Official line is that he's over there to get to know his teammates but isn't in the playing squad. Bit odd really.
 
Yes, I think i misunderstood you. I thought you were agreeing on Taylor coming in, and saying that you dont want ali to open. Having the 6 bowlers for me is key, 7 bowlers is too many, especially cos in emergency Root could bowl

I'd love to get Taylor in but just can't at the moment. Therefore, if it's a battle between Ali and Roy to open, I'd go for Roy. We could always put Ali below people like Willey, Rashid or Woakes if he's struggling to find the ropes at 7.
 
I'd love to get Taylor in but just can't at the moment. Therefore, if it's a battle between Ali and Roy to open, I'd go for Roy. We could always put Ali below people like Willey, Rashid or Woakes if he's struggling to find the ropes at 7.
Agreed but Id rather get Taylor in than Roy so in that case Ali goes back to open[DOUBLEPOST=1455639655][/DOUBLEPOST]
Official line is that he's over there to get to know his teammates but isn't in the playing squad. Bit odd really.
Woakes is in the squad but isnt going to the World T20 so sureky he should just replace Woakes in the squad, as surely they wont paly Woakes unless they do because of conditions which would be odd
 
Agreed but Id rather get Taylor in than Roy so in that case Ali goes back to open[DOUBLEPOST=1455639655][/DOUBLEPOST]
Woakes is in the squad but isnt going to the World T20 so sureky he should just replace Woakes in the squad, as surely they wont paly Woakes unless they do because of conditions which would be odd

Yeah, it's a very strange situation. Perhaps they're sending out the message that they are playing conditions and trying to win a series rather than prepare for a WC on completely different surfaces.

They've also said that Plunkett isn't 100% fit yet and so won't be risked unless there's an emergency. Therefore it's really a straight fight out between Willey, Jordan and Woakes for two spots. Logic would tell you they'd leave out Woakes as he wont be going to India.
 
I agree that Bopara didn't fulfill his potential, but look at how many times he batted at 7 or 8 for England. He was messed around so much in the order. At Essex, he bats at 3 pretty much exclusively. I don't think he was ever given that chance (I might be wrong). The rare opportunities he was given to bat at 4, like the 2012 one day series vs Australia, he scored plenty of runs. He also bowled really well and was one of the more economical bowlers.

His record is at the bottom of this.

It looks like he's played 50 or so times in the top 5, so while probably not consistent in terms of position, it's enough to show something and 0 centuries in those innings tells a story. I'm agreed with you on the Essex thing, he's brilliant when he plays for them. I've seen him take good bowlers apart, but it just hasn't happened Internationally. He's neither scored the bulk of runs or at the rate needed really. Mentioning him batting in the top order is the issue though. We have Root, Morgan, Buttler, Taylor all capable of batting between 3 and 5. He's not better than them, let alone other guys who could come in, that's why I don't see him making a comeback. Then you look lower than that at all rounders and there's no way he's being picked ahead of Stokes, so barring a massive injury crisis, I just don't see it happening. I like him as a player, but the difference between him for Essex and him for England is a chasm.[DOUBLEPOST=1455652891][/DOUBLEPOST]On the England order, I'd definitely give Ali another go opening. He's got a good technique and it would probably suit him chipping it over the infield rather than trying to clear the boundary riders late in the innings. Plus it would mean that we could get Taylor or Billings into the batting order, which would be useful if we collapse again.
 
I was just watching highlights of the 2000 test between Pakistan and England in Karachi. I realise the regulations on bad light have changed since that match, but how did Bucknor get away with not taking the two teams off the field?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining as that game is in my top 3 test victories and moreover, Pakistan were time wasting. But it just seems dangerously dark in those final 6/7 overs.
 
Just looking at the t20 squad:

Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) (capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Liam Dawson (Hampshire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), Reece Topley (Hampshire), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Yorkshire).

That looks like a decent list of players but in all honesty, from what I've seen and heard of the PSL and other t20 tournaments over the last few months, where in the blue hell is Wright? Heck, I'd even have the most criminally underused English player of the decade in Bopara. The guy has consistently scored runs AND taken wickets.

I really don't see anything in Topley tbh but I reckon I can make a good XI out of the squad:

Buttler
Hales
Root
Morgan c
Roy
Billings wk
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Jordan
Finn

No Broad....
 
Just looking at the t20 squad:

Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) (capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Liam Dawson (Hampshire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), Reece Topley (Hampshire), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Yorkshire).

That looks like a decent list of players but in all honesty, from what I've seen and heard of the PSL and other t20 tournaments over the last few months, where in the blue hell is Wright? Heck, I'd even have the most criminally underused English player of the decade in Bopara. The guy has consistently scored runs AND taken wickets.

Wright has over 100 international caps now and has never really made an impact like he has in the domestic game unfortunately. Bopara had similar issues but only ever seemed to perform when we lost!
 
Wright has over 100 international caps now and has never really made an impact like he has in the domestic game unfortunately. Bopara had similar issues but only ever seemed to perform when we lost!

Bopara was a very good performer who was consistently dropped and treated like an after thought.

He and Wright would both be a better choice than some of the inexperienced names that have been picked, no offense to them. I think we can all see how good Wright can be if he doesn't come into the side under pressure of "one more match or your out" which is the type of mentality which permeates throughout the ECB when they don't like a guy, the same happened with Bopara, Shah and for a while, with Finn.

Heck, how'd Dawson get a shot when the coach hasn't even seen him play and (I quote) "think he might be a good fielder" lol

That's ridiculous but at least it's better than previous limited overs squads I've had to sit through.
 
Just looking at the t20 squad:

Eoin Morgan (Middlesex) (capt), Moeen Ali (Worcestershire), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Liam Dawson (Hampshire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Chris Jordan (Sussex), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), Reece Topley (Hampshire), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Yorkshire).

That looks like a decent list of players but in all honesty, from what I've seen and heard of the PSL and other t20 tournaments over the last few months, where in the blue hell is Wright? Heck, I'd even have the most criminally underused English player of the decade in Bopara. The guy has consistently scored runs AND taken wickets.

I really don't see anything in Topley tbh but I reckon I can make a good XI out of the squad:

Buttler
Hales
Root
Morgan c
Roy
Billings wk
Stokes
Ali
Rashid
Jordan
Finn

No Broad....

I like both Bopara and Wright, but the problem they have is trying to displace the people that fulfil similar roles to the ones that they do.

Wright would be competing with Roy, Hales and Vince. Jason Roy hasn't actually done much in t20i, but I like his aggression and he seems to be a team player in that he'll give his wicket away so that Hales and Root can play their natural game. Both Vince and Hales have done well when playing in this format, so they shouldn't be dropped. In truth, it's probably a toss up between Wright and Roy, but as Roy has played in all of the preparation series', I think he has to go to the World Cup. If he has a bad one, we might find that Wright is recalled. Although, Dawid Malan's lions performances may have seen him leapfrog Wright.

As for Bopara, he's one of my favourite players. I think I would've had him in the squad, but I can see why he isn't. Firstly, Morgan, Root and Stokes are all quality players, and they'd be the people he's realistically competing with. Also, he played quite a few times for England with, let's say, mixed success. To be honest, the one person in the squad that I might've replaced him with is David Willey. Willey isn't being used in the way that Northants use him, and so we aren't seeing the best of him. Bopara's bowling would be really effective in India, and he'd make a bloody good number 7/8 batsman.

I actually think that Topley is a superstar. We'll be seeing a lot of him in all formats doing reckon.
 
Heck, how'd Dawson get a shot when the coach hasn't even seen him play and (I quote) "think he might be a good fielder" lol

That's ridiculous but at least it's better than previous limited overs squads I've had to sit through.

Dawson got a shot because he was tearing through Pakistan A with the ball (and we needed another spinner) and also performing very well with the bat, and is a gun of a fielder, particularly in the slips.

To realistically get Wright or Bopara in you'd have had to have dropped Vince, who outscored both of them in the T20 blast this season and was man of the series in the UAE. For Bopara you could of made a case for dropping him for an all rounder but Willey has done brilliantly very recently in the BBL and Stokes isn't missing out.
 
Yeah, Dawson bowled really well all winter, and was pick of the spinners. That was in a squad including Stephen Parry.
 
I don't get it. We had the likes of Duncan Fletcher and then to a similar extent Andy Flower, who just kept on recycling the same players over and over and as fans, we all complained about it. We've now got a set up that gives good County players a go and people are still moaning about it! Personally, to me, Dawson just looks like a Michael Yardy type of player at International level. But, he's obviously done well enough in County cricket to play for the Lions, where he did well, so he deserves a shot. I'm excited to see what new players like Roy, Billings, Dawson, Topley etc have got, rather than going back to the players that have already had plenty of chances.
 

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