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England Team Discussion
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wasteyouryouth
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So, unless I'm mistaken England's 2023 ends like this:
Home ODI Series v NZ 3-1 Win
Away ODI Series v Bangladesh 2-1 Win
Home Test v Ireland Win
Home ODI Series v Ireland 1-0 Win
Home Ashes v Australia 2-2 Draw
Home T20 Series v New Zealand 2-2 Draw
Away Test Series v New Zealand 1-1 Draw
Away T20 Series v West Indies 2-3 Loss
Away ODI Series v South Africa 1-2 Loss
Away ODI Series v West Indies 1-2 Loss
Away T20 Series v Bangladesh 0-3 Loss
World Cup finished 7th with only 3 wins
Pretty crap
Home ODI Series v NZ 3-1 Win
Away ODI Series v Bangladesh 2-1 Win
Home Test v Ireland Win
Home ODI Series v Ireland 1-0 Win
Home Ashes v Australia 2-2 Draw
Home T20 Series v New Zealand 2-2 Draw
Away Test Series v New Zealand 1-1 Draw
Away T20 Series v West Indies 2-3 Loss
Away ODI Series v South Africa 1-2 Loss
Away ODI Series v West Indies 1-2 Loss
Away T20 Series v Bangladesh 0-3 Loss
World Cup finished 7th with only 3 wins
Pretty crap
Bevab
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Mott has been a massive failure.
noducksallowed
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There's a lot of limited overs cricket there and England clearly did not care about it like they did from 2015-2019.
In tests, England are sitting on a gold mine. They have some very good cricketers, a mix of experience, youth and excitement and are clearly the best team to watch.
England in India will be a failure as always though.
Aislabie
Test Cricket is Best Cricket
One of the most interesting recent developments in cricket is the shift towards almost trying to build bowlers out of raw athletic attributes (rather like you see with NFL recruits) rather than trying to pick them out based on their on-field performances at lower levels. Australia and recently England are at the forefront of this: Australia are the best in the world at workload management (most of the time) and have done more than most to nail down what exactly makes a fast bowler successful at Test level, but it means that some of Australia's best bowlers have barely ever played domestic cricket: Starc has played 35 Shield matches, Hazlewood 34 and Pat Cummins only nine in his entire career - less than one full season.
England have recently started to put their money where their mouths are too by picking bowlers like Josh Tongue and Matty Potts based almost entirely on their physical attributes
Currently they are looking for bowlers who can bowl 140 kph from a certain delivery point (I can't remember the height - I want to say 2.1m but idk), and who can maintain a top run-up speed of 23 km/h into their third or fourth spell of the day. The idea of the run-up speed thing is that it distributes the workload more evenly across the bowler's body. They figure they can then refine the actual cricketing skills later, which has been made more straightforward by the advent of the wobble seam delivery. It's not dissimilar to how Duncan Fletcher used to look at the game 20 years ago, but at that point the data science didn't really exist for him to quantify what he wanted.
They're now applying the same logic to the selection of spin bowlers: they are looking for spinners who have high release points (c. 2.1 m); in fact Bashir and Hartley have the two highest in the country. They want spinners who bowl a stock delivery at up to 100 kph, which means that on responsive surfaces the natural variation ranging between 0⁰ of turn and 2⁰ of turn should be enough to make batting exceptionally difficult. Tom Hartley and Shoaib Bashir have been selected based almost entirely on their physical attributes and if one of those spinners actually delivers in India - especially Bashir - it could quite literally change the sport overnight. I expect England to pick Tom Hartley ahead of Rehan Ahmed for the first Test, and if Rehan plays it's as the third spinner.
Regardless of how it goes, this upcoming Test series will have big implications for England and others' future selection policies.
England have recently started to put their money where their mouths are too by picking bowlers like Josh Tongue and Matty Potts based almost entirely on their physical attributes
Currently they are looking for bowlers who can bowl 140 kph from a certain delivery point (I can't remember the height - I want to say 2.1m but idk), and who can maintain a top run-up speed of 23 km/h into their third or fourth spell of the day. The idea of the run-up speed thing is that it distributes the workload more evenly across the bowler's body. They figure they can then refine the actual cricketing skills later, which has been made more straightforward by the advent of the wobble seam delivery. It's not dissimilar to how Duncan Fletcher used to look at the game 20 years ago, but at that point the data science didn't really exist for him to quantify what he wanted.
They're now applying the same logic to the selection of spin bowlers: they are looking for spinners who have high release points (c. 2.1 m); in fact Bashir and Hartley have the two highest in the country. They want spinners who bowl a stock delivery at up to 100 kph, which means that on responsive surfaces the natural variation ranging between 0⁰ of turn and 2⁰ of turn should be enough to make batting exceptionally difficult. Tom Hartley and Shoaib Bashir have been selected based almost entirely on their physical attributes and if one of those spinners actually delivers in India - especially Bashir - it could quite literally change the sport overnight. I expect England to pick Tom Hartley ahead of Rehan Ahmed for the first Test, and if Rehan plays it's as the third spinner.
Regardless of how it goes, this upcoming Test series will have big implications for England and others' future selection policies.
wasteyouryouth
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Time for the CRAeNaissancE
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The end of an era is upon us. The greatest England cricketer and greatest pace bowler of all time has announced his retirement from International cricket this summer after the test vs Windies at Lord’s.
Thanks for the memories and your tireless service to this country and cricket team (insert future knighthood here) Jimmy Anderson
Thanks for the memories and your tireless service to this country and cricket team (insert future knighthood here) Jimmy Anderson
Aislabie
Test Cricket is Best Cricket
I'm slightly curious what the England seam attack will end up looking like. Stuart Broad has retired, Jimmy Anderson is being retired, and the heir apparent Ollie Robinson appears not to have the confidence of captain or coach.
Looking at the most recent selections, it could be something like Wood-Potts-Tongue, but I'm wondering whether Sam Cook is about to get a go in the side.
Looking at the most recent selections, it could be something like Wood-Potts-Tongue, but I'm wondering whether Sam Cook is about to get a go in the side.
wasteyouryouth
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I'd hope Woakes and Wood would be in the side after the summer they had last year. Perhaps with one or two other prospects in and around the side. Could easily see Woakes being overlooked again though.
Ed Smith
Gaffer
Heir apparent and all round shit bloke Ollie Robinson you mean...
Draco_V_Ecliptic
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I'd agree about Woakes and Wood. I am not sure about Pope as he seems to be a bit 'hit or miss' historically.
Aislabie
Test Cricket is Best Cricket
Looking around county cricket, there are a couple of picks from outside the recent squad that you could make a strong case for. Olly Stone looks to be fully fit again, and bowled really nicely against Lancashire; Sam Cook is just ridiculously good, and if we're looking for a bit of a left-field pick who does all the right things as a cricketing athlete, I think Ajeet Dale is a wonderful bowler.
wasteyouryouth
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There was a Lancashire bowler I saw last year who I thought was worth watching out for. Can't remember who though. I'd say Sam Cook is a maybe, but I can't see his 78mph being the key to beating Australia in Australia. Could just take Jimmy again. Although Mir Hamza did OK in the winter basically doing that. Stone will definitely be in the discussion if he's fit.
Saqib Mahmood is back, so I'd imagine they'd get him in as he looked good when he had a chance. Gus Atkinson and Matt Fisher. Would like to see Potts given another chance.
Aislabie
Test Cricket is Best Cricket
Man has absolutely dropped a bollock here. Given how highly thought of he is in the England set-up, he was definitely a smokey for a Test debut this summer
