England tour of South Africa 09/10

I love how people are questioning KP's position within the team. He scored 5 centuries in 2008, 2009 was a bit of a let down, only 1 century and 5 half centuries (inc a 97), still averaging 47.50 for the calendar year, and that includes having a serious lay-off through injury, which he's not long recovered from. Though 2009 was the first time since 2005 that he hasn't scored 1,000 runs in the year.

He may not quite be performing at his best. But that phrase is key, his best, remember who you are talking about.

Oh and his 81 in the 1st test played a massive part in us surviving the match.
 
I love how people are questioning KP's position within the team. He scored 5 centuries in 2008, 2009 was a bit of a let down, only 1 century and 5 half centuries (inc a 97), still averaging 47.50 for the calendar year, and that includes having a serious lay-off through injury, which he's not long recovered from. Though 2009 was the first time since 2005 that he hasn't scored 1,000 runs in the year.

He may not quite be performing at his best. But that phrase is key, his best, remember who you are talking about.

Oh and his 81 in the 1st test played a massive part in us surviving the match.


Yep, we English just love building them up to unatainable heights and then we knock up down again when they aren't able to perform in the way we have unrealistically envisaged they should be able to.

The thing with KP is that you know he can suddenly spring to life and produce that talent he obviously has! And he is pretty handy in the field anyway!
 
I love how people are questioning KP's position within the team. He scored 5 centuries in 2008, 2009 was a bit of a let down, only 1 century and 5 half centuries (inc a 97), still averaging 47.50 for the calendar year, and that includes having a serious lay-off through injury, which he's not long recovered from. Though 2009 was the first time since 2005 that he hasn't scored 1,000 runs in the year.

He may not quite be performing at his best. But that phrase is key, his best, remember who you are talking about. You talk of "best", but for silly dismissals you wouldn't need to put that in your comments. And surely the flip side of that is that he can average the same as the rest when "not at his best", surely that means he deserves more criticism than someone whose best is not nearly as able. ie the expectations should be higher

And if he were to play more sensibly early in his innings, and when well set, how good would he be?


Oh and his 81 in the 1st test played a massive part in us surviving the match.

And his stupid dismissal nearly played THE biggest part in us losing it. I'm not saying he should be dropped, but he needs a big kick up the a'rse and to play a bit more responsibly. His 0 & 6 could play a massive part in us losing this Test, the main point being if Bell scored 0 & 6 we'd be baying for blood, despite Bell scoring a match-winning contribution of 141 last Test.

With the amount of talent Pietersen has he should be averaging 55 if not more than 60, he's averaging 49. So while he may be an important player, he needs to do a bit more to win more matches and not bits and bobs scores that keep his average up and have little impact on the result. How many times has he thrown his wicket away? I think the aussies would drop him just to give him that wake up call.


Anyway, back to the match. England in deep doodoo, thanks to both openers getting in and then getting out. Cook has added two scores between 50 and 65 in this Test to go with his previous 13 and now hits his zone every sixth knock. I think he should be called Look rather than Cook, L being 50 in roman numerals and C being a hundred. Here's another player who maintains his good average and yet the team loses as much when he's in the side as it wins. Onions maintains his position with the worst average of any main bowler bar Ntini on either side, De Wet being the only other main bowler to have not taken more wickets than Onions. But then he epitomises England current bowlers, averaging over 30 and looking world class one match, Bangladesh class the next. Even Swann's wickets are now costing him 30 apiece, but these stats are telling :

Swann : 15 Tests, 67 wkts @ 30.22 (4.5 wkts/Test)
Sidebottom : 21 Tests, 77 wkts @ 27.70 (3.7 wkts/Test)
Hoggard : 67 Tests, 248 wkts @ 30.50 (3.7 wkts/Test)
Harmison : 63 Tests, 226 wkts @ 32.79 (3.6 wkts/Test)
Onions : 8 Tests, 28 wkts @ 31.04 (3.5 wkts/Test)
Anderson : 45 Tests, 156 wkts @ 34.10 (3.5 wkts/Test)
Panesar : 39 Tests, 126 wkts @ 34.37 (3.2 wkts/Test)
Broad : 25 Tests, 74 wkts @ 35.70 (3.0 wkts/Test)
Flintoff* : 79 Tests, 226 wkts @ 32.79 (2.9 wkts/Test)
Bresnan : 2 Tests, 3 wkts @ 32.33 (1.5 wkts/Test)

*Flintoff didn't always bowl that much, but he did bowl enough that his wkts/Test figure should be higher.

Only Swann is taking the four wickets a Test you might hope for or expect from a good bowler. 3.5 is good but not great, quite how Broad keeps his place I don't know. Must be on potential and batting, although he's scored only five 50s, two in his last 23 knocks, his average has dropped below 30 with the bat, and he simply doesn't contribute enough wickets consistently enough. With only four bowlers we need a bit more than a wildcard making up the quartet. He's won a few Tests with his bowling, but how often have we needed wickets and he's fired more blanks than anyone?

Oh and re the Flintoff stats earlier and him not taking 10 wickets in a Test, neither has Anderson nor Broad, BUT Panesar, Harmison, Sidebottom and Hoggard all have and they don't purport to be world class. They have, Flintoff hasn't. As far as I'm concerned that's a bare minimum requirement for any bowler supposedly world class, and while there may be the odd instance where a bowler doesn't play enough Tests it is highly unlikely given they'd be pretty regular picks if they were world class. Even a Bangla has a 10fer, three kiwis including Martin and the telling stat in there is also that no current west indian has a 10wi to their name. It's not an elite band, but top bowlers should manage at least one in their career. I mean even Kallis has 5wis to his name, that's nothing special.
 
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The dropping of Kevin Pietersen seems to come around every 6 or so months, normally after he's played a bad shot or got out at an important time. People seem to forget very quickly that he's still far and away our best player, in terms of talent, career runs, icc ranking etc etc. He's just in a lean spell, mainly due to his injury which you've got to give him time to fully recover from. No chance that Michael Carberry or Luke Wright would score more runs either.

Lost that fiver then Tom ;)
 
Oh noes, ball tampering! Happens at all levels, in most games. I'm sure I could find South Africa doing it at several points in the last 12 months.

Match referee's have looked at Anderson''s footage and dismissed it apparently. Like it should be.
 
Oh noes, ball tampering! Happens at all levels, in most games. I'm sure I could find South Africa doing it at several points in the last 12 months.

Match referee's have looked at Anderson''s footage and dismissed it apparently. Like it should be.

Go ahead then.
 
If a Pakistani or Indian had done what James Anderson did, we'd say it was cheating

By Nasser Hussain

Last updated at 12:23 AM on 07th January 2010

I cannot believe, having seen incriminating pictures of Jimmy Anderson for the first time on Wednesday, that match referee Roshan Mahanama has not dragged him into his office, sat him down and asked him to explain himself.

I presume Mahanama has seen the television coverage that we saw on Wednesday. And if he has not then he should have made it his business to. And those pictures showed Anderson coming very close to what you would consider to be ball-tampering.

I am not suggesting Anderson gouged the ball or really affected its condition. What the pictures showed to me was more like an inquisitve, dreamy sort of scratching that, at best, is very marginal as to whether it is an offence.

There is no doubt in my mind that if a Pakistani or Indian bowler had been caught doing what Anderson did then we all would have come down on them like a ton of bricks. We would have said that they were cheating.

I do not think the International Cricket Council have covered themselves in glory at all here. Their statement yesterday basically said that there had been no official complaint from South Africa, so that was the end of the matter.

Well, who is running world cricket? It is down to the ICC to deal with the big issues in the game like match-fixing, ball-tampering, poor over-rates and the like. If they have seen TV pictures and feel that Anderson did something wrong then it is up to them to do something about it, not wait for South Africa to point the finger.

South Africa, meanwhile, are at fault for pointing the finger but not going through with their complaint. You cannot politely accuse someone of cheating. What they have done in saying they had ‘concerns’ about the state of the ball is make a serious accusation and then run away when they were challenged to back it up.

Make no mistake, ball-tampering in many forms has gone on forever and in recent times we have seen lip-salve, mints, Vaseline and even jelly beans used to get shine on the ball.

I have sympathy with the views of someone like Allan Donald who believes that what Anderson and many others before him have done did should be allowed. This is a game heavily weighted in the batsman’s favour and if by allowing bowlers to be a bit more clever in what they do with the ball there is more skill and reverse swing in the game then cricket would be better for it.

Yet while scratching is not allowed then we should make sure it does not happen. Anderson and Stuart Broad, who was foolish in treading on the ball, should learn their lesson and be more careful in future.

I have never seen Jimmy do anything like this before and I certainly have not heard talk of him being someone who tampers with the ball. He has got away with this and he should be thankful and make sure it does not happen again.

Source- Daily Mail UK

Nasser Hussain, you legend :hpraise. I hope he's ready to be ridiculed by fellow Englishmen for stating the obvious :sarcasm
 
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If I actually gave a toss, I would. All teams do it, all players do it. It's a bit of hysteria over a nothing incident, as proven by the referee's dismissing the enquiry about it. They know more about ball tampering than you.

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We're looking very comfortable right now. Steyn is looking dangerous though.
 
Tell that to Nasser Hussain, lil 19yr old witch-hunting bugger. :)

Oh btw, if you don't care, why do you reply? Stop trolling will you :)
 

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