England , Will they be able to pull it off in the Sub continent ?
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Ramz
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I think england will find it difficult in Pakistan and India.. also the Pakistani team have been playiong very well lately, and will boost the return on Shoaib Akhtar and also Mushtaq Ahmed will get re-call with Danish Kaneria in the spin department.. imagine Kaneria and Mushy.. deadly combo right there... !!! Pakistan should win the ODI series easily.. and test series will be a draw or 2-1 to Pakistan 
Then ... India.. England good luck!! thats all im saying.. also i got one question to the Indian fans .. why don't India call Dhoni to the test team instead of Partiv patel or Gatuam Gahmbir?
Then ... India.. England good luck!! thats all im saying.. also i got one question to the Indian fans .. why don't India call Dhoni to the test team instead of Partiv patel or Gatuam Gahmbir?
sami ullah khan
Panel of Selectors
England are a magnificent side but their bowling attack lacks a quality spinner. Their pacers will love the reverse they will get on harsh pakistani and indian wickets. But facing daneria, bhajji and kumble will not be fun for english batters. Also i just get the sense that both pakistan and india will go for spinner friendly tracks that can be advantageous for the home teams. England can never be as good as aussies unless they balance their bowling attack with a quality spinner. Their fast bowlers are damn good but they will miss spinner in subcontinent.
I think England might still manage to beat pakistan due to the brittle batting that we have but indian batting is awesome and might stop the english pace machine. we will just have to wait and see
I think England might still manage to beat pakistan due to the brittle batting that we have but indian batting is awesome and might stop the english pace machine. we will just have to wait and see
E=MC said:I think england will find it difficult in Pakistan and India.. also the Pakistani team have been playiong very well lately, and will boost the return on Shoaib Akhtar and also Mushtaq Ahmed will get re-call with Danish Kaneria in the spin department.. imagine Kaneria and Mushy.. deadly combo right there... !!! Pakistan should win the ODI series easily.. and test series will be a draw or 2-1 to Pakistan
Then ... India.. England good luck!! thats all im saying.. also i got one question to the Indian fans .. why don't India call Dhoni to the test team instead of Partiv patel or Gatuam Gahmbir?
Dhoni instead of Gambhir? Also Parthiv is not the keeper now in the tests. Its Dinesh Karthick.
Gambhir is our best specialist opener right now! This is the best opening pair for India in recent times and should never be tinkered with! Dhoni can come in the expense of Karthick because we can use Dhoni's hard hitting services better than Karthick! We can create winning situations in tests better with Dhoni in the middle!
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This tour will be close, Like many people have said before, I think that the English will strugle to play the spin especially with a strong attack's for both teams attack ie: Kumble, Harbijahn and Kaneria. Don't forget Sachin Tendulkar's handy spin as well. I think that England V Pakistan will be extremely close but will end up with an English win. I think they just have to much depth in their line-up comapred with Pakistan. In India however they will struggle against the spinners. Slogging might work in getting fast runs at the expense of a few wickets but the Indian batting line-up is capable of matching or even bettering the english one at home (India) To Win the India series England's top players like Flintoff, Trescothick and Peiterson must learn to control their agression and work towards large scores.
So I think that England will defeat pakistan but not India.
So I think that England will defeat pakistan but not India.
UsmanCHADDA
County Cricketer
In Tests our famed line-up will defintely collapse, and I guess you pommies will win it easily. But in ODIs Pakistan are a different team altogether, and I wouldnt be surprised if they give a whipping to England 
squiz said:
Not true. Whilst some of our batsmen were the proverbial 'bunnies' Warne was still hit for plenty of runs and batsmen he had a 'hold' over like Trescothick and Strauss recorded some good scores and ended the series with fine averages.
Warne is a magnificent bowler and truely carried the entire Aussie team at times but some batsmen, Pietersen particularly, played him quite well.
usmanCHADDA said:
You're welcome to the ODI's. As long as we win the test series...
I think England will lose both series, England might be the best team in the world right now, but when they play India and Pakistan that will really test them. The last time England have won India in India was in 1986 and only 1 country since 1987 who has won a test series (once) in India which was Australia in 2004 and the rest got hammered.
Reider84
School Cricketer
Pakistan:
I think Pakistan have some excellent players but overall I feel England will be too strong for them and will win the test series, the one dayers I think it will be very close.
India:
Well although the entire forum barring english people think we don't have a chance against India I feel that we will fair pretty well against them. Yes it will be a very tough series and may end up in a draw but to actually beat England these days you have to play some fantastic cricket. England are improving all the time and regardless of what the pitches are like class bowlers will take wickets and we have some class bowlers, world class in some cases.
England yes can struggle against spin but they've been practising hard and have batsmen who will be prepared to take them on. But considering everyone thinks were going to lose you would think we were the worst team in the world and lost the ashes. I don't mind one bit, gives us a chance to prove people wrong again.
Ashley Giles:
A lot of people love to talk about Ashley and he is not a flashy player and nor is he ever going to rip through the opposition. The main point is that he is the best we have and he works ever so hard for the team.
People say he bowls negatively and has a big average but its the pressure he creates that allows wickets to fall at the other end. Also people saw how batsmen friendly the pitches were over the ashes and it didn't help the bowlers a great deal. Ashley plays the majority of his games in England so they are not exactly going to help his average. Yes Warne got a lot of turn but he is different class.
We know Giles is not a big turner of the ball so he bowls to his strengths, if he bowled around the wicket aiming at leg stump then it's not going to turn at all and is going to get put away for four. If he bowls outside off stump it doesen't generate enough turn to threaten a edge. Bowling over the wicket works well for him so why try something different.
In a closing point I wonder if any of you realise that Ashley Giles dismissed every one of Australias top order batsmen in the recent Ashes series at one time or another. Can't be that bad can he, afterall he is the King of Spain.
I think Pakistan have some excellent players but overall I feel England will be too strong for them and will win the test series, the one dayers I think it will be very close.
India:
Well although the entire forum barring english people think we don't have a chance against India I feel that we will fair pretty well against them. Yes it will be a very tough series and may end up in a draw but to actually beat England these days you have to play some fantastic cricket. England are improving all the time and regardless of what the pitches are like class bowlers will take wickets and we have some class bowlers, world class in some cases.
England yes can struggle against spin but they've been practising hard and have batsmen who will be prepared to take them on. But considering everyone thinks were going to lose you would think we were the worst team in the world and lost the ashes. I don't mind one bit, gives us a chance to prove people wrong again.
Ashley Giles:
A lot of people love to talk about Ashley and he is not a flashy player and nor is he ever going to rip through the opposition. The main point is that he is the best we have and he works ever so hard for the team.
People say he bowls negatively and has a big average but its the pressure he creates that allows wickets to fall at the other end. Also people saw how batsmen friendly the pitches were over the ashes and it didn't help the bowlers a great deal. Ashley plays the majority of his games in England so they are not exactly going to help his average. Yes Warne got a lot of turn but he is different class.
We know Giles is not a big turner of the ball so he bowls to his strengths, if he bowled around the wicket aiming at leg stump then it's not going to turn at all and is going to get put away for four. If he bowls outside off stump it doesen't generate enough turn to threaten a edge. Bowling over the wicket works well for him so why try something different.
In a closing point I wonder if any of you realise that Ashley Giles dismissed every one of Australias top order batsmen in the recent Ashes series at one time or another. Can't be that bad can he, afterall he is the King of Spain.
Reider84 said:In a closing point I wonder if any of you realise that Ashley Giles dismissed every one of Australias top order batsmen in the recent Ashes series at one time or another. Can't be that bad can he, afterall he is the King of Spain.
Pre-Ashes: Terry Alderman offered some considered advice to any Australian batsman who lost his wicket to Ashley Giles. "They should go and hang themselves"
This should definitely make a radical team shake-up somewhat easier...
England should easily win both series. A good pace attack is useful on any wicket - i think they will win easily in Pakistan as they tend to prepare pitches suited for pace bowling and the ball reverses possibly even more than in england.
India might be a different story, but indian cricket seems to have declined in the last few years, as they, like the aussies, have an aging lot of stars. Kumble and Harbajan (excuse spelling) could possibly rip through the english batting line up every time as there was nothing to suggest in the ashes that england bat well against spin. Sure, Pieterson and Flintoff got on top of warne at times, but that was through brute strength and taking chances, not through technical efficiency. And each time flintoff got a decent score (which was twice i think in the series), warne had him out plumb lb early in his innings but the umpires failed to give him out - difficult to give I guess as its hard to judge the amount of turn, but when you look at decisions like Martyn in the 3rd and 4th tests, and the Katich decision, my grandma could've given those out.
Kumble barely turns the ball at all, he has excellent variation in pace and can produce extra bounce - i'm sure he will expose the likes of flintoff and pieterson who like to play against the spin - i don't think either of them have the patience or technique to play defensive innings. And as the aussies learnt in 2001, and proved last year, patience is the key in india.
As for warne not turning it that much in england - i don't think i've seen warne turn the ball more in the last decade. You could see his style changed in the last couple of tests, his arm was more horizontal, like the warne of old. Harbajan is a different kettle of fish, as he can rip it back into the right handers and has an excellent straight delivery - but he seems to have fallen away after he bamboozled the aussies in 01.
England to win both series - who cares anyway, these are just appetisers for the next ashes!
They should go and hang themselves! It wasn't the pressure Giles was creating, it was the pressure the other bowlers were creating at the other end. Giles was the weak link in the bowling attack, no question.
India might be a different story, but indian cricket seems to have declined in the last few years, as they, like the aussies, have an aging lot of stars. Kumble and Harbajan (excuse spelling) could possibly rip through the english batting line up every time as there was nothing to suggest in the ashes that england bat well against spin. Sure, Pieterson and Flintoff got on top of warne at times, but that was through brute strength and taking chances, not through technical efficiency. And each time flintoff got a decent score (which was twice i think in the series), warne had him out plumb lb early in his innings but the umpires failed to give him out - difficult to give I guess as its hard to judge the amount of turn, but when you look at decisions like Martyn in the 3rd and 4th tests, and the Katich decision, my grandma could've given those out.
Kumble barely turns the ball at all, he has excellent variation in pace and can produce extra bounce - i'm sure he will expose the likes of flintoff and pieterson who like to play against the spin - i don't think either of them have the patience or technique to play defensive innings. And as the aussies learnt in 2001, and proved last year, patience is the key in india.
As for warne not turning it that much in england - i don't think i've seen warne turn the ball more in the last decade. You could see his style changed in the last couple of tests, his arm was more horizontal, like the warne of old. Harbajan is a different kettle of fish, as he can rip it back into the right handers and has an excellent straight delivery - but he seems to have fallen away after he bamboozled the aussies in 01.
England to win both series - who cares anyway, these are just appetisers for the next ashes!
barmyarmy said:
They should go and hang themselves! It wasn't the pressure Giles was creating, it was the pressure the other bowlers were creating at the other end. Giles was the weak link in the bowling attack, no question.
Its true thier will be a lot of reverse swing in the India and Pakistan, you might have played good agaisnt warne in england, but dont forget you going to the sub-continent, whre the ball turning all the time, and on the Picthes it will produce very sharp spin, england could be 100-1 and when the spinners come on it could be 100-1 to 120-8, I seen it happen very often In India, where they lose 4 or 5 wickets quickly.
But then Again England played brilliant cricket in the last 2 years, and are looking mmore and more dangerous, Both series's will be hard though series but I think England will draw both, India declined in odis a bit, but in tests ecspeccialy at home ( exuse my spelling) they are strong as ever. England will need to have a good spinner, becuase Giles is not the answer to a world class spinner, anyway India play spin good as anyone, spin wont get the batsmen out, its fast bowl pace onto the batsmen mid-drif. All I can say is good luck to England.
But then Again England played brilliant cricket in the last 2 years, and are looking mmore and more dangerous, Both series's will be hard though series but I think England will draw both, India declined in odis a bit, but in tests ecspeccialy at home ( exuse my spelling) they are strong as ever. England will need to have a good spinner, becuase Giles is not the answer to a world class spinner, anyway India play spin good as anyone, spin wont get the batsmen out, its fast bowl pace onto the batsmen mid-drif. All I can say is good luck to England.
Only one thing that I can say - lets watch the action. Its going to be damn exciting! England are now in very good form and if they beat Pakistan in the tests (which looks more likely!), then they will be in even more greater form. So India will have to contend with a rampaging English team coming into their den! But as most feel, Kumble and Harbhajan are a deadly duo on their tracks and most of the batsmen of the team tend to bring in superlative performances on home pitches where the ball comes below the knee!
Exciting series - I sense a similar script to the India-Australia classic 2001 with India again being on the same winning side!
Exciting series - I sense a similar script to the India-Australia classic 2001 with India again being on the same winning side!
