Aislabie
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Saj Mahmood (81 runs @ 8.10) would be marginally preferable to Jof (155 runs @ 7.75)Ergh
England's tour of India - 2021
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It's confusing because Jof was good enough to bat at 7 in the BBL and if anything we see him as an allrounder. What's changed? Or is he just a really bad test batsman compared to LO cricket?
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It's a quite severe lack of defensive technique by the looks of things
Defensive technique is not something that is tested by the BBL, which makes that understandable
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I repeat myself, the pitch was not the worst out there. I've been watching cricket for over 25 years and nowhere does this Ahmedabad pitch come close to being unplayable. Yes, it was underprepared and took spin from day 1, but so many Indian pitches are prepared this way for test matches. Any visiting team going into the match with just one regular spin bowler is at a severe disadvantage.
About the conditions: the combination of pink ball which gave exaggerated bounce, fresher bowlers bowling longer spells under lights and the less than ideal batting technique against spin by both teams contributed to this match's duration. I also feel, maybe reading the length with the pink ball was a problem for batsmen under lights. So many batsmen went on the back foot to pitched up deliveries.
Batsmen from previous eras without T20 influence have put up respectable scores on such pitches. Look at Andy Flower's record in India against similar bowlers on similar pitches.
Even with a red ball in played wholly in daylight conditions and bowlers getting tired faster under the hot sun, this match would have gone into the fourth day, possibly the fifth day if one team had batted well.
On pitches taking more bounce and turn, premeditated sweeping is a risky strategy. Also playing from the crease to pitched up spinning deliveries is a risky strategy.
Note that, both India and England got off to good starts in their first innings. England easily could have put up 250+ on this pitch had the middle order applied themselves a bit and then put India under pressure. It appears that the technique against spin was found wanting and Rohit Sharma in his brief innings in the 2nd innings showed how to deal with the spinners. Step down and get to the pitch. Don't defend all the time.
Also England did not play 2 regular spinners, which cost them extra runs in the 1st innings against India, because Joe Root came on too late being a part timer. Also no part time spinner can expect a rich haul every time he goes out there to bowl, even on turning tracks in India.
About the conditions: the combination of pink ball which gave exaggerated bounce, fresher bowlers bowling longer spells under lights and the less than ideal batting technique against spin by both teams contributed to this match's duration. I also feel, maybe reading the length with the pink ball was a problem for batsmen under lights. So many batsmen went on the back foot to pitched up deliveries.
Batsmen from previous eras without T20 influence have put up respectable scores on such pitches. Look at Andy Flower's record in India against similar bowlers on similar pitches.
Even with a red ball in played wholly in daylight conditions and bowlers getting tired faster under the hot sun, this match would have gone into the fourth day, possibly the fifth day if one team had batted well.
On pitches taking more bounce and turn, premeditated sweeping is a risky strategy. Also playing from the crease to pitched up spinning deliveries is a risky strategy.
Note that, both India and England got off to good starts in their first innings. England easily could have put up 250+ on this pitch had the middle order applied themselves a bit and then put India under pressure. It appears that the technique against spin was found wanting and Rohit Sharma in his brief innings in the 2nd innings showed how to deal with the spinners. Step down and get to the pitch. Don't defend all the time.
Also England did not play 2 regular spinners, which cost them extra runs in the 1st innings against India, because Joe Root came on too late being a part timer. Also no part time spinner can expect a rich haul every time he goes out there to bowl, even on turning tracks in India.
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I can assure you that none of the Indian fans over here would complain if England would give us underprepared seam friendly pitches. So let us just move on with it now. These arguments won't get England a place in the WTC finals now.
To be honest I'm not sure anyone is hugely bothered about the WTC. There's no real fair way of allocating points so it's a bit of a nonsense really. Over here at least it's had fairly minimal attention and we could do without an 18th test match this year.
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Ok agree. But would that change the result of the previous match now? So it is better we move on and expect a better wicket for the last match.
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If you think any England fans care about that I think you're massively wrong. The England team clearly have either conceded defeat or see it as irrelevant given the rotation policy.
Even the 5 match series in England v India, which I've always been more excited about than this one* will be seen as a way to judge if we can win the Ashes. The Ashes is how English cricket will decide if we're the best team in the world or not. Whether there are better teams than Australia or not
*because I thought India were unlucky to lose 4-1 last time and are much a stronger side now.
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Well both teams are stronger now as compared to that series so I do not think there is much difference between these sides. Infact England have a settled batting order.
Also you do know that England will face it tougher to beat Australia considering that they have not played on pitches with pace and bounce for a considerable amount of time now. So the result of India series was anyways going to be irrelevant as a preparation for the Ashes.
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I honestly don't know if England is stronger than 2018 and I think the fallout of this series might be a few question marks over players that weren't there 2 matches ago. Our bowling won't be a problem in England but the batting is very fragile. In India the mindset seems to be 'if Joe Root can't score runs then none of us can.'
Burns has found himself dropped. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back in for the next match at the expense of Sibley or, more likely, Bairstow. Pope is averaging 23 since the start of last summer.
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Crawley
Woakes
Bess
are the only players averaging above 30 in that time frame and two of them can't get in the team. Things are so bad there's case an actual case for Jos Buttler being in as a specialist batsman.
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Agree with the above. Couldn't care less about WTC. The concept and rules need to be looked at. You play Tests for 2 years and the winner is decided by playing a one-off Final? Make it a best of 3 at the very least. The less said about the qualification rules, the better. I do feel instead of identifying the top 2, it would do good to have top 4 qualify for a semi-final esque tournament. At least then the other Teams will hope to make the playoffs stage.
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