England's tour of India (Nov '16/Feb '17)

[Velocity]

Well. Rishi's batting is good. He has average of 40 in FC which is very good for an all-rounder. People think his batting is not good because he is not a T20 material where he can smash sixes. But he is always consistent. He should be given a chance. I don't know why you keep on telling his batting is not upto standards. He has been batting well in domestic league. Better than Hardik in terms of both batting and bowling. Honestly I am sick of this selection process. Players should be selected seeing their form in respective formats. For tests, you shouldn't see his ODI or T20 form and select him. For tests, see the performance in FC and select. That should be the only criteria. Honestly, Hardik doesn't deserve place in TESTS. I am not talking about limited overs format.

Anyway, I respect your opinion but I don't agree that Pandya is better than Rishi in the longer format. If Pandya gets to play in any of the matches, hopefully I am proved wrong.

I feel that Rishi does not deserves a place just yet. Pandya does not deserve a place just yet. International cricket is different than domestic. Rishi Dhawan did pretty bad on that tour of Australia, but he is not a bad player. I think we just need a proper seam bowler, not allrounders. India already has good batting, and medium pacers don't really have an impact on these type of wickets. Rishi Dhawan picked 7 wickets or so in a Ranji Match, but that just isn't enough to play in a series aganist England, I feel that India should only test those players out in the one test they play aganist Bangladesh, or even Australia. About Hardik Pandya, he is a very energetic player. He fields extremely well, his pace is good and batting is okay. There's something in him perhaps make him a star player. The stats don't back him up, but stats don't mean everything. It's more of the quality of the player in my mind.

 

[zwarrior]

I feel that Rishi does not deserves a place just yet. Pandya does not deserve a place just yet. International cricket is different than domestic. Rishi Dhawan did pretty bad on that tour of Australia, but he is not a bad player. I think we just need a proper seam bowler, not allrounders. India already has good batting, and medium pacers don't really have an impact on these type of wickets. Rishi Dhawan picked 7 wickets or so in a Ranji Match, but that just isn't enough to play in a series aganist England, I feel that India should only test those players out in the one test they play aganist Bangladesh, or even Australia. About Hardik Pandya, he is a very energetic player. He fields extremely well, his pace is good and batting is okay. There's something in him perhaps make him a star player. The stats don't back him up, but stats don't mean everything. It's more of the quality of the player in my mind.

I agree to most of the points you made. But I would like to say two things.

One is about Rishi's performance in Australia. He played just 3 matches and yes he failed in all three matches. What I would like to say is he came to bat at #8 position in two matches and he didn't get to bat in 3rd match. And all the bowlers got belted in that series as it was a good batting pitch ( except Bumrah in last match ). So what exactly do you mean by his performance in Australia was bad ? The guy didn't even get a proper chance. You CANNOT judge his international career based on that series.

Even MSD failed in the first series he played in his international career. But he got another chance. NOTE- I am not comparing Rishi with MSD..

And yes, we need an all-rounder. I don't agree with you when you said we don't need all-rounder. Look at England's team. They bat deep, very deep. All-rounders are necessary. We already have a spin-all rounder in Ash and Jaddu. But we don't have any fast-all rounder. I agree, that Rishi is a medium fast pace bowler. But when they guy has performed very well in domestic matches, you need to call him up and test him. He has been performing with 40+ avg with bat and 35 odd SR with ball. What more does he need to do ?

I can go on and on, but I again say that Rishi Dhawan deserves chance more than Hardik Pandya. It's not fair at all.

 

[zwarrior]

This is what I wanted to see.Good start for England. They won the toss and are batting. It will be interesting to see how we cope up with this as we were batting first in all the matches. Pandya is making his debut. Would have loved to see Mishra instead of him. But hope he performs well.

Cricbuzz says Pandya is in team, ESPNCric Info says Mishra is playing.

 

[Velocity]

I agree to most of the points you made. But I would like to say two things.

One is about Rishi's performance in Australia. He played just 3 matches and yes he failed in all three matches. What I would like to say is he came to bat at #8 position in two matches and he didn't get to bat in 3rd match. And all the bowlers got belted in that series as it was a good batting pitch ( except Bumrah in last match ). So what exactly do you mean by his performance in Australia was bad ? The guy didn't even get a proper chance. You CANNOT judge his international career based on that series.

Even MSD failed in the first series he played in his international career. But he got another chance. NOTE- I am not comparing Rishi with MSD..

And yes, we need an all-rounder. I don't agree with you when you said we don't need all-rounder. Look at England's team. They bat deep, very deep. All-rounders are necessary. We already have a spin-all rounder in Ash and Jaddu. But we don't have any fast-all rounder. I agree, that Rishi is a medium fast pace bowler. But when they guy has performed very well in domestic matches, you need to call him up and test him. He has been performing with 40+ avg with bat and 35 odd SR with ball. What more does he need to do ?

I can go on and on, but I again say that Rishi Dhawan deserves chance more than Hardik Pandya. It's not fair at all.

I can agree with you on this note, but I don't think the selectors are going to pick him just yet. I guess wait a while, then if he is consistent throughout till the Australia series, then they should give him a chance. Also, England, with allrounders aren't always successful all the time. For now I think the Indian bowling attack is good for now.[DOUBLEPOST=1478662993][/DOUBLEPOST]India are surely going to have a lesser chance of winning, argh.... we've been jinxing Kohli into losing the toss and look what happend....

 

[Aalay]

Hah, it will be interesting to see how India goes on now that they have finally lost the toss.

Pandya is making his debut. Would have loved to see Mishra instead of him. But hope he performs well.

It is Mishra who is in the final 11, not Pandya.

I am happy that they have not selected Ishant in the final 11 especially after how well both Umesh and Shami bowled in that NZ series.

 

[zwarrior]

Hah, it will be interesting to see how India goes on now that they have finally lost the toss.



It is Mishra who is in the final 11, not Pandya.

I am happy that they have not selected Ishant in the final 11 especially after how well both Umesh and Shami bowled in that NZ series.

Ya. But cricbuzz stated Pandya in the team instead of Mishra.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Happy India lost a toss, to be number one we need to perform either ways. Good luck please make it a good day India especially after US elections

 

[Aalay]

And that is exactly how not to start the series. Dropping Cook on 0 is absolutely criminal.

 

[zwarrior]

And that is exactly how not to start the series. Dropping Cook on 0 is absolutely criminal.

I am following online. So can't see the match. Was the catch easy ?

 

[Aalay]

I am following online. So can't see the match. Was the catch easy ?

He got it in his hands and then dropped it at the last moment.

 

[asprin]

Cook dropped early on. Was it a difficult chance? Oh dear. How important will that be?

 

[Aalay]

Another catch dropped. What the hell are they doing?

 

[zwarrior]

Both the openers dropped ! This is bad..

 

[abhi_jacko]

Uh oh

exactly like the horrid run we had in aus, eng .. dropping easy slip catches

 

[asprin]

Why do debutants always seem to have a field day in India? I'm predicting nothing less than 50 from Hameed. Our catching pretty much helping their cause.