End Game Explosive Mafia - Endgame Mafia (zwarrior, asprin & RUDOLPH)

[asprin]

If he had, Simon surely could have a write-up at the beginning of day.

Well, he also said this at the start of the game:

Lol yeah there's no point of a write up. Might include them for flavor later on.

So I'm really not ruling that out.

 

[swacker]

Well, he also said this at the start of the game:

I think it's difficult to describe whether he defused any, without any write-up.

 

[Targaryen]

Okay, I went back and had a read on posts from page 3. The only indication is that the mafia (I'll name them below) are playing a smart game. They just want to know who is the town bomb and kill him to win this game by lynching townies everyday.

So Godfather = @Fake Passport. The only reason behind my point is, FK is a very smart guy and is using the god gifted brain to atmost perfection. When we had the dethy game, he was the only mafia among 4 cops and played it so smartly to win that game alone. And yes, he did the same kind of analysis and was posting in favour of town until he finally lynched a townie and won the game for himself. In this game, he was the first one to go for 'no lynch' strategy. As I said before, one right lynch can win us the game, he has smartly managed to convince the townies (and me) to go for no lynch and has posted some analysis just in favour of town and not assuming another instance/angle of mafia scenario. His recent post asking Surender if he is the town bomb, even after knowing that town bomb exposure might be the end of the game for town. He is only concerned with getting to know who the actual town bomb is. I mean, why do you want to know who is the town bomb?

Mafia Bomb - Swacker. The only guy who has been supporting the 'no lynch' strategy along with FK during the early days of the game to convince other townies. He is still supporting and taking side of FK in every advice his GodFather is giving. To be honest, I always knew he is the Mafia bomb. He seemed very much worried when all got confused about bomb role and he was worried only because someone said that (maybe I said that) bomb must be activated as soon as the lynch count gets majority. He was in different mindset and plan until then.

zwarrior, who was a mafia bomb, was similar to swacker and his post seemed very much similar to that of swacker. But only difference was that his approach was defensive while swacker was aggressive.

All this seems to me a great sign of mafia making townies avoid 'lynch everyday' strategy because, one right lynch can kill the mafia bomb without having them activate their bomb. And if God Father is killed, game is over. So all the three were advocating the 'no lynch' strategy and FK was so keen to assume the scenario only in town favour and not in mafia favour.

So these are my thoughts so far. I'm open for any questions regarding this but mind you, it won't be an easy way hereon as we will be given forced 'lynch everyday' from Simon which will make it difficult for mafia to act. FK seemed a bit worried when that post was made by Simon. Townies, here we go, I did play a defensive game so far just to play something new from what I've been doing so far in the mafia games. I'll get back to my natural mafia game style from here-on.

 

[surendar]

Okay, I am going over every line of FP -

You have this weird habit of getting me to say things over and over. I was happy to leave it with what I had said that I found suss about you previously, but if you want a formal indictment for everyone to see, sure, ill oblige.

Really? Quote me the posts that I kept dragging a topic to get answer again and again. Just because I question your strategy and I question your behavior - that does not mean, saying things over and over.

Your first substantive post and a second one - the first before I substantially posted my thoughts on the No-Lynch. The way you convey confidently about it being nightless plus the K9 makes me really suspicious of your supposed misunderstanding of the role of the bombs.

K9 can investigate for bomb - clear in first post. Bombs can activate anytime - Not given clearly. May be my dumb head didn't register that, "At one appropriate time, before lynch reaches majority bomb can take another member with him" is NOT different from "Anytime, bomb can take another member with him before lynch reaches majority". As matter of fact, you only got this rule right, you are now accusing me that I am the only person to get this wrong? If that was so clear enough, there wouldn't be a need to ask in PM and Simon to confirm on the thread. Common sense here?

And then you flipped. Now I dont have a huge issue with flipping to the siege strategy, but this is a philosophical statement about how the game should be played. You made what I thought was a valid case against the strategy, that really the game is more than playing the numbers, and that the siege is almost against the spirit of the game. That is valid and the point you made. I get that, but you got on your high horse about it then later decided that the siege was a solid plan.

What? Flip? Lynch? really?
READ MY POST AGAIN!

"You are clearly dominant in asking town not to do anything because of those %(stats) instead of playing the game and start exploring who is who"

In which world of mafia, does this line refer to Lynch? Educate me please. I raised suspect on you because I thought you are blindly asking us to lynch due to that bombing rule misinterpretation. I was suggesting to keep the activity going through discussions and try to find odd mans from discussions( explore who is who ). This is nightless game and only way to get a reading on players is through discussions - i have iterated well enough multiple times this point in this thread that activity needs to be happening for the players to get involved.

Ill leave it for others to decide if I could have been taken to be saying that we should lynch

you are going back to this bombing rule. So looks like, you want to frame me for not understanding this bombing rule( which I wasn't the only one to get that wrong ) up like Villain tried his way for AliB. Getting tired of it now.

To provide context, he is quoting me saying I'm going to vote no lynch, but waiting on discussion. In your post you say you're waiting for more discussion, then not too long ago you ask me about this post justifying it in Post [HASHTAG]#300[/HASHTAG]. Youre trying to frame me up for something that happened with knowledge that we only had after the fact.

Yes, I said waiting on discussion because it was Day beginning. But I made sure that I placed a no lynch trying to get majority and keep the K9 running into next day. My post 300 was to know why you did not place your no lynch. We were short of just 2 votes that would have saved CK. Just because you are aligned with the risk of loosing K9 doesn't mean everyone has to align with the risk of loosing K9. If we have 2 votes on time considering majority of us are town members, CK would have got to D3 and may be, bomber would have got a wrong man instead of CK as it was jackpot for bomber that he got our K9 on D2.

I don't find anything wrong in that opinion.

Ive talked before about this post. Especially that first line seems a bit forced to me. Plus seems to be trying to appear devastated by the loss of CK and chill with it at the same time.

I gave you the explanation already and you acknowledged it, and you want me to answer again? That was my typing of what I felt in my mind - first line was disappointment because it was K9, not an ordinary VT. Second line was referring to mafia that it is still fine that we got them one count down.

Then there's the whole think that CK suspected you and was tossed.

I never said, I was town because CK suspected me, you and Rudolph, nor I cleared these 3 including myself as town. I only said, CK wasted his attempts because he didn't go for the right bomb obviously. If you assume that I was meaning all 3 are town - I am not responsible for your misinterpretation.

I also loved how you kinda went after PE for 'abruptly' switching to No Lynch when thats pretty much exactly what you did.

As explained above - I never said, lets lynch. I am not responsible for your misinterpretation/assumption. I did not flip, I stay by what I said.

I acknowledged - I was not aligned with your strategy of going no lynch due to misunderstanding but after it got cleared, I was able to connect. Though you accepted the risk of loosing K9 in that strategy, I was wanting K9 to go as long as possible to finish his investigation. I have mentioned this crystal clear during my D2 no lynch.

I didnt like how you cleared Rudi, Asprin and swacker

for no other reason that they are active. This post is a substantial reason why I want to vote for you as I reckon if you flip scum the other one is in this list.

Cleared? @swacker @Fake Passport - Seriously, Cleared? Did I say, I am clearing them as town?

"They keep the activity going here, which is needed for this kind of set up. Not able to find anything scummy"

Where did I say, I am having clear town read on them? I said, I am not able to find anything scummy or fishy to have FOS. It was still a neutral read that hasn't raised any suspects inside me from those 3. What should I find if I can't find.

Till now in this game - I have had FOS on FP, PE, Villain, why? FP in initial stage because I understood as he asking us to lynch from that whole bomb rule thing which I don't like to drag again. PE because he abruptly switched like shadowing FP strategy from North to South. Villain because he took one point and tried to frame up. I haven't seen these kind of framing or switching or irrelevant/confusion causing incidents among Rudolph, Swacker and Asprin during that point when I replied to that post.

*this explanation does not reflect any context happened after the post quoted for explanation, this explains my thinking during that time of post only.

This is what I was referring to above. Totally misrepresenting my stance on the K9. I was always upfront about the potential to lose either or both of the power roles.

You misinterpret a lot, quite a lots. You should know people think different and what you think is NOT what other person thinks. My only question was, why you didn't place no lynch and I believe I have answered swacker that why I asked that question too. I don't believe I need to iterate again.

FYI, It was a tossup between you and Rudi, but I have a worse feeling about you and I think if I go after Rudi again hes going to start to think Ive got a personal grudge against him

To be frank, I don't have to give this big explanation to defend my self. You need my help to stay if we need to win, I am explaining this detail because you misunderstood it. i.e. if you are a town. But if you are in mafia and trying to frame me up, well nice try!

 

[Targaryen]

PE because he abruptly switched like shadowing FP strategy from North to South

You got to read my post above your post for my clear thoughts.

 

[surendar]

You got to read my post above your post for my clear thoughts.

That post had disclaimer,
*this explanation does not reflect any context happened after the post quoted for explanation, this explains my thinking during that time of post only.

i.e. I am explaining myself on all the situations that I have had FOS(in total) in this game before that post. It does not reflect my current FOS.

 

[surendar]

Anyway back to this Day 2,

This is second day for K9, meaning there are possibilities of K9 even diffusing the bomb if he has already got bomb as result on Day 1. Best situation for the town now is to wait for K9 diffusing all the 3 bombers including town bomb and to inform the town after they are done with their entire job. This in my opinion will leave Mafia + bombers to break their heads. Mafia in no ways going to get town killed without the lynch majority. Wish there was something on the lines of bomb-proof role like doctor for town(like it won't be activated despite bomber trying to activate) instead of town bomb in case we have to guess K9 and protect him.

We will wait for K9 to lead from front in background and town playing the wait game till then, what do you guys think?

I am settling with No Lynch. Though I have doubts on certain posts like I mentioned in last couple of pages where I wasn't really convinced myself, I do not have concrete evidence to call it for sure. Our current situation doesn't call for panic and so yeah,

No Lynch

From my quote during D2, I would like to highlight in bold the below :

We will wait for K9 to lead from front in background and town playing the wait game till then, what do you guys think?

With FP leading with the strategy, he was giving me the town vibes of K9. I specifically told the above line in bold to match FP's leading from front for the town.

But ever since I mentioned one point of "what if FP is mafia Godfather" - his reactions are completely different. It is now giving me vibes of he trying to search and find a case to frame and defend. If FP really ends up as Mafia GF - You guys getting CK(our K9) as first is your biggest drawback because it was better for GF to give that K9 vibes only as long as K9 is alive.

 

[swacker]

The only guy who has been supporting the 'no lynch' strategy along with FK during the early days of the game to convince other townies.

As I said before, I backed the idea which he proposed which was in favour of town. Is it just me who supported?

He is still supporting and taking side of FK in every advice his GodFather is giving.

The only thing I backed was 'no lynch' nothing more. I hope you find more than one post that I backed FK with, cause you surely seems to have more knowledge about it.

To be honest, I always knew he is the Mafia bomb.

You can surely have your opinion, if that's what you think I can't do much, other than proving that I am not.

He seemed very much worried when all got confused about bomb role and he was worried only because someone said that (maybe I said that) bomb must be activated as soon as the lynch count gets majority.

I was quite happy to know that bomb must be activated before lynch gets majority it eliminates the fact that if we try lynching townie and having a bomb at the same time (losing two townies). And not to question you, but I did refer to that when you got confused. Not sure how that can be called as worried.

He was in different mindset and plan until then.

Yes, ofc I was in different midset, when two things (lynch and bomb) can't happen together, it certainly was a relieve.

 

[surendar]

Its 1:30AM Monday for me, I had to be in work in another 6 hours roughly - so going to sleep. Will not be available for next 7-8 hours.

 

[swacker]

Where did I say, I am having clear town read on them? I said, I am not able to find anything scummy or fishy to have FOS. It was still a neutral read that hasn't raised any suspects inside me from those 3. What should I find if I can't find.

Fair enough mate, but we were arguing with regards to being defensive. For awhile I back fired Villain, later asprin being in his own space, which made it prolong. I still haven't had a clear image on him, yet I haven't made any list which describe any. So instead of you posting 'I don't find anything scummy about them' you could just point at one's you find scummy.

 

[Villain]

Good decision by Simon otherwise we'd have been on Day 10 with everyone alive.

Just woke up, will go through the last few pages and post my thoughts

 

[Targaryen]

As I said before, I backed the idea which he proposed which was in favour of town. Is it just me who supported?

At the start, yes.

The only thing I backed was 'no lynch' nothing more. I hope you find more than one post that I backed FK with, cause you surely seems to have more knowledge about it.

You have backed the 'no lynch' and backed it many times. I've also mentioned 'taking side' which you are doing. Many questions have been asked to FK and you are the first one (before FK) to answer to the questions. Isn't that called taking side? Why would you want to answer to such question that are asked to someone else and not you?

You can surely have your opinion, if that's what you think I can't do much, other than proving that I am not.

Yes, you need to prove it. The things which I've mentioned is completely against you and FK that involves some sort of link, supporting, taking sides, answering to questions directed to each other etc..

I was quite happy to know that bomb must be activated before lynch gets majority it eliminates the fact that if we try lynching townie and having a bomb at the same time (losing two townies). And not to question you, but I did refer to that when you got confused. Not sure how that can be called as worried.

Yes, everyone got confused, but no one tried to contact Simon, while FK PMed him and cleared the doubts for himself. Just to change the strategy? You were more like 'it might be this, it might be that?' sort-of. 'Confusions' are different from 'Worries' right? You didn't seem confused at all but worried of what you thought was not the case with the bombs.

Yes, ofc I was in different midset, when two things (lynch and bomb) can't happen together, it certainly was a relieve.

Different mindset means your plan is no more valid with what you thought bombers can do. So it was another headache to change your plans according to what Simon explained it later on.

 

[Villain]

I saw someone soft claiming town bomb hope the mafias didn't get it.
My rough analysis: Asprin, Surendar and Swacker - two out of these three are mafias. In the worst case scenario maybe Rudolph.

My detailed analysis to follow soon.

 

[Fake Passport]

Quotes are being weird, check surendars original post for context if you want it.

Okay, I am going over every line of FP -
Really? Quote me the posts that I kept dragging a topic to get answer again and again. Just because I question your strategy and I question your behavior - that does not mean, saying things over and over.

Point 2 on this post. This whole post. etc etc. I was seriously happy to vote to lynch you and let what I had said previously stand. YOU asked me what the reason was. I answered and now your complaining that I posted? You cant have it both ways mate.

K9 can investigate for bomb - clear in first post. Bombs can activate anytime - Not given clearly. May be my dumb head didn't register that, "At one appropriate time, before lynch reaches majority bomb can take another member with him" is NOT different from "Anytime, bomb can take another member with him before lynch reaches majority". As matter of fact, you only got this rule right, you are now accusing me that I am the only person to get this wrong? If that was so clear enough, there wouldn't be a need to ask in PM and Simon to confirm on the thread. Common sense here?

I'm accusing you of getting it wrong based on your other posts, that I put above that show you had a pretty good grasp on the game. I am accusing you of making the role definition ambiguous because it suited you as mafia to do so. I have never said you were the only person to get it wrong. I'm saying you used it to your advantage.

What? Flip? Lynch? really?
READ MY POST AGAIN!

"You are clearly dominant in asking town not to do anything because of those %(stats) instead of playing the game and start exploring who is who"

In which world of mafia, does this line refer to Lynch? Educate me please. I raised suspect on you because (1)I thought you are blindly asking us to lynch due to that bombing rule misinterpretation. I was suggesting to keep the activity going through discussions and try to find odd mans from discussions( explore who is who ). This is nightless game and only way to get a (2)reading on players is through discussions - i have iterated well enough multiple times this point in this thread that activity needs to be happening for the players to get involved.

1) Again, I leave it for anyone else to tell me im wrong on this. I do not know how you could see from any of my posts that I was advocating for a lynch. Every post I made was advocating a No Lynch policy.
2) Yet you accuse me of not voting no lynch quick enough? You are making exactly the same point I made when you asked that question originally...

you are going back to this bombing rule. So looks like, you want to frame me for not understanding this bombing rule( which I wasn't the only one to get that wrong ) up like Villain tried his way for AliB. Getting tired of it now.

Ill say this again. I was seriously happy to vote to lynch you and let what I had said previously stand. YOU asked me what the reason was. You cant ask me to post the reasons im voting for you then jump up and down like a victim when I do....

Yes, I said waiting on discussion because it was Day beginning. But I made sure that I placed a no lynch trying to get majority and keep the K9 running into next day. My post 300 was to know why you did not place your no lynch. We were short of just 2 votes that would have saved CK. Just because you are aligned with the risk of loosing K9 doesn't mean everyone has to align with the risk of loosing K9. If we have 2 votes on time considering majority of us are town members, CK would have got to D3 and may be, bomber would have got a wrong man instead of CK as it was jackpot for bomber that he got our K9 on D2.

I don't find anything wrong in that opinion.

Ill let you have the last word on that. I think people know my stance.

I gave you the explanation already and you acknowledged it, and you want me to answer again? That was my typing of what I felt in my mind - first line was disappointment because it was K9, not an ordinary VT. Second line was referring to mafia that it is still fine that we got them one count down.

And again. I was seriously happy to vote to lynch you and let what I had said previously stand. YOU asked me what the reason was. You cant ask me to post the reasons im voting for you then jump up and down like a victim when I do....

I never said, I was town because CK suspected me, you and Rudolph, nor I cleared these 3 including myself as town. I only said, CK wasted his attempts because he didn't go for the right bomb obviously. If you assume that I was meaning all 3 are town - I am not responsible for your misinterpretation.

Not a misinterpretation. You're putting too much into that statement. CK suspected you in a list of potential scum and then was taken out. Seeing who CK called potential scum (and remember im implicating myself here) is a valid thing to consider.

As explained above - I never said, lets lynch. I am not responsible for your misinterpretation/assumption. I did not flip, I stay by what I said.

I acknowledged - I was not aligned with your strategy of going no lynch due to misunderstanding but after it got cleared, I was able to connect. Though you accepted the risk of loosing K9 in that strategy, I was wanting K9 to go as long as possible to finish his investigation. I have mentioned this crystal clear during my D2 no lynch.

To be clear, what I say when I say you flipped is that you were against the No lynch strategy originally then flipped to become for the lynch strategy.
I acknowledge that you were largely consistent on K9, however don't forget you suggested that we all knew the plan was K9 based when it wasn't.

Cleared? @swacker @Fake Passport - Seriously, Cleared? Did I say, I am clearing them as town?

"They keep the activity going here, which is needed for this kind of set up. Not able to find anything scummy"

Where did I say, I am having clear town read on them? I said, I am not able to find anything scummy or fishy to have FOS. It was still a neutral read that hasn't raised any suspects inside me from those 3. What should I find if I can't find.

Till now in this game - I have had FOS on FP, PE, Villain, why? FP in initial stage because I understood as he asking us to lynch from that whole bomb rule thing which I don't like to drag again. PE because he abruptly switched like shadowing FP strategy from North to South. Villain because he took one point and tried to frame up. I haven't seen these kind of framing or switching or irrelevant/confusion causing incidents among Rudolph, Swacker and Asprin during that point when I replied to that post.

*this explanation does not reflect any context happened after the post quoted for explanation, this explains my thinking during that time of post only.

Well ok. You didnt use the word clear. I still regard it as bloody suspicious that up until that point you, and I quote 'Not able to find anything scummy'. You didn't say that day 1, it was post [HASHTAG]#293[/HASHTAG]. If you take offence to me using the word cleared I wont argue that semantic point, but the broader reasoning still stands and is still as valid as before.

You misinterpret a lot, quite a lots. You should know people think different and what you think is NOT what other person thinks. My only question was, why you didn't place no lynch and I believe I have answered swacker that why I asked that question too. I don't believe I need to iterate again.

Sure. If you flip town then ill admit I mis-interpreted everything. Only one way to find out...

To be frank, I don't have to give this big explanation to defend my self. You need my help to stay if we need to win, I am explaining this detail because you misunderstood it. i.e. if you are a town. But if you are in mafia and trying to frame me up, well nice try!

[/spoiler]

Your defense to my accusation post, which one last time Ill remind everyone you wanted, is largely based on semantics. I consider that up until that point you had cleared those people as town. You don't want to use the word clear that's fine, I'm not fussed by that the underlying reason still stands. Sure, you may never have said 'we should lynch' but you were definitely against the no lynch policy, whatever word you use to describe that situation the underlying point remains.
You're also good at trying to frame the situation up so that you are the victim. You ask me questions about things I already gave reasons for then plead victim when I call you on it, you ask me why I vote to lynch you and you play victim to the fact I posted it.

Im happy with my lynch.

 

[surendar]

Sure. If you flip town then ill admit I mis-interpreted everything. Only one way to find out...

So you are preparing in advance for the town that you are going to say it as accidental misinterpretation? LOL, you for sure know how to play safe game. And you also very well know that, Mafia strategy would be trying to get town as bonus lynch before using another bomb.

You are clearly trying to build case on no base - In one line.

I gave you detailed explanation and if you were town, you would have atleast made efforts to try to understand where I am coming from. But you keep going back again and again to those claims of me using bombing rules as my advantage is just insane. You are lost there mate.