Football Transfers Thread

[puddleduck]

I've made the point a few occassions but it gets ignored. Man U were lucky enough to be one of the big teams who were involved at the top when the financial rewards changed massively. By being the team that won big then, they got a massive leap on the competition. The same leap that clubs like Blackburn, Chelsea and Man City have only been able to match with significant investment. To claim rich owners giving their club a leg-up is any worse than getting prize money that significantly trumped anything that had come before it is like an old Tory moaning that some new upstart had made their own money and was now richer than them. It's conservatism at it's finest.

To claim it all came from your youth department is to ignore the subsequent years of outbidding just about any club in the country as well as offering bigger wage packets and incentives to all the youth talent... Man U actually forced the midtable clubs to look abroad for their talent, as domestically only Man U could afford them.

 

[puddleduck]

So Victor Moses to Chelsea then? Can't see him getting much gametime, will surely go the same way as Wright-Phillips?

Oh, and I'm not entirely blaming Utd. The massive influx of agents to the game whose sole interest is to maximise their clients earnings so they take home more money for themselves. Obviously players careers can be over at any point so they want to make as much as possible, and unfortunately the agents are all too aware that their cash cow could have a limited shelf life. People so rarely move for first team football and experience, instead losing vast portions of their developmental years.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

I've made the point a few occassions but it gets ignored. Man U were lucky enough to be one of the big teams who were involved at the top when the financial rewards changed massively.

And I'll say it again: what has luck got to do with it? What about Liverpool? They were still up there. Arsenal? Same goes for Leeds - they were the last champions before the Premiership. Utd weren't lucky, they were the best. That's got nothing to do with luck! Most importantly, I don't recall some rich owner appearing from nowhere to pump money into the club. Someone did want to - Rupert Murdoch - but we blocked it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Oh, and I didn't say it all came from the Academy, I said the core came from the Academy, and that is an irrefutable fact.

Obviously players careers can be over at any point so they want to make as much as possible, and unfortunately the agents are all too aware that their cash cow could have a limited shelf life. People so rarely move for first team football and experience, instead losing vast portions of their developmental years.

True, they have a short career, but the money they get is absolutely obscene, short career or not.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I've made the point a few occassions but it gets ignored. Man U were lucky enough to be one of the big teams who were involved at the top when the financial rewards changed massively.

but as i've just said they foresaw this and planned accordingly. it's not like premier league just magically got sorted overnight in one meeting.

they was a group of clubs at the time who were involved in the first meetings. everton were one of them. as were tottenham actually. the term big 5 was used, everton, liverpool, united, totenham and arsenal.

they were viewed by itv at the time as the most attractive clubs at the time, and that if they were featured on tv more often more people would watch, and they were the key clubs to get onside to get the premier league to take off. Basically any of them could have done what united did. maybe they tried. I know for one everton failed miserably. I the premier league failed or didn't get started united probably would have dipped significantly. Maybe if Sir alan didn't tell murdoch to "blow them out of the water" itv would have won the contract with a much smaller bid than sky did and it might have failed.

So actually it's all tottenham's fault really....

Simply being one of the big clubs didn't make united what they became. How many of the big 5 have a premier league medal? 2. Even the year before the prem started Leeds won it (in their first season after promotion, no less) so they didn't have a hegemony on the game then.

Yeh they were fortunate but there is always an element of luck in sport. no point moaning about it. they brought in a great manager and invested well in their infrastructure. they would have been unlucky not to win any of the first few prem titles and go to the wall.

 

[KBC]

Brazil midfielder Lucas Moura snubs Manchester United to sign for Paris St Germain - Telegraph








What a bugger. All that blabber only to end up in the stupid oil arabs' lap.

 

[puddleduck]

Bringing up Leeds is irrelevant. They won someting that had nothing like the same financial rewards. The imbalance of distributed wealth to the winners (and subsequent champions league places) meant any team that got one of those early few Champions league places was massively more wealthy than any other club in the country. Of course they had to win it, but had Leeds won the first premiership and not the last 1st division, Man U would not be where they are now. Look at how many different winners of the league there were over the 5 years before the Premiership started... then look at how many different winners in the next 5

 

[Dr. Pepper]

I'm not overly fussed about missing out on Lucas Moura as it wasn't a necessary position to fill but it's the same situation as Sneijder, Nasri and Hazard. Utd seem to be shocked by agents fees and wages these days even though they paid similar amounts for the likes of Rooney and Ferdinand. I don't think the Glazers fully understand the transfer market.

 

[thedon5]

I agree with your sig now MB. Man City specifically isn't ruining the game, rich owners are though. Just look at Malaga. Feel sorry for their fans, their club is most likely down the drain now just for one season of Champions League. I myself don't care if teams spend money, I just hate it when rich owners' like Malaga's take over who are only really interested in horses. Or if the City or PSG investors were to leave, their clubs would be gone with their wage bills. My sig though is more in reference to Man Utd fans saying they don't buy players when they indeed do.

Also, sad to see Lucas Moura go to PSG. Definitely should have an effect on his development. Reckon Portugal or Italy would've been best, but Man Utd is far better for him than PSG. Oh well, clearly he is fairly more interested than he should be in the city itself and the money (or his club wanted the money PSG offered).

Wasn't a necessary signing, but would've been a youth player like Powell for Utd, albeit a very expensive one. He isn't perfect just yet, but reminds me a lot of Ronaldinho. Ironically the same move to PSG as Ronaldinho, maybe he will be the next Ronaldinho.

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Reckon Usain Bolt could cut it at a football club with a bit of training. He certainly can train well if he is an Olympic champion, and has the self confidence. He'd be a good winger, not much unlike Lennon or Walcott except he is much faster. Would be insanely good for selling shirts, like signings ten Asian players!

 

[KBC]

I just hope RVP doesn't sign for United. Ironically we might end up signing him.

. Just look at Malaga. Feel sorry for their fans, their club is most likely down the drain now just for one season of Champions League.

you got Cazorla from them, it ain't that bad, probably wouldn't have if he stayed at Villareal and the Oil bathers didn't take over.

Look at Racing Santander for an example, Malaga is way better, they can still have a good share of their squad if their owners drop out, whereas Santander is completely ruined by that UAE Tycoon and he's on blacklist for corruption. That's robbery. He's taken them from mid table position to obscurity. They don't know where to hide their faces when asked about their owners' whereabouts.

Blackburn, I don't need to say more.

There is some credibility to the management of the owners in Man City's case, pumping $1 billion into a club is beyond words but you get my point about their transfers.

 

[thedon5]

I sort of feel bad for Malaga. Kind of sad taking their best player for probably half of what he is worth. Oh well.

Must be sad for Cazorla too. For both the big moves in his career, to Malaga and to Arsenal, he was merely debt payment!

Yeah the Middle Eastern billionaires certainly have affected a lot of La Liga clubs. Malaga won't be the last. They lost Rondon as well, their top scorer. They will be toothless in attack without their most creative player and second top scorer, their veteran striker (van Nistelrooy), and their top scorer.

Reckon Blackburn was less due to lack of interest like in these cases but more due to complete lack of knowledge regarding football.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

I just hope RVP doesn't sign for United. Ironically we might end up signing him.

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Indeed. Seems that Sir Alex is locked onto him like a pitbull - he's determined to get his man. I don't know - maybe Sir Alex was asleep during that Man City match when they overran our midfield like Nazi tanks overrunning Poland?

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Brazil midfielder Lucas Moura snubs Manchester United to sign for Paris St Germain - Telegraph

What a bugger. All that blabber only to end up in the stupid oil arabs' lap.

Spend the money saved on a decent ball winning midfielder for the love of God, Sir Alex, so I can stop posting this every five minutes!

 

[puddleduck]

RVP is so much better than Rooney, how could you not want him?!?

 

[Dr. Pepper]

Berbatov is definitely leaving, or if he stays he won't play a part in the side sadly. That leaves Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. Hernandez just had a poor season and at the moment should only really be an impact player. Rooney was very poor last season and it annoys me how he's the only Utd player who can get away with it. That said, even when he's poor, he's still Utd's main man attacking wise and is always relied upon.

Signing RVP would allow Rooney to be rested from time to time and free up his responsibilities a bit. Utd need 4 strikers and for ?20m, I'd happily take RVP!

 

[Bevab]

25M pounds, not 20M pounds.


And that ain't a great long term investment. A better option would be Lewandowski.

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But well, atleast RVP would be a good set-piece taker, and you've got no good set-piece takers apart from Young, who is only decent with corners.

 

[puddleduck]

RVP is genuine class. The only risk is that he's had a long season with Arsenal and a short summer with Netherlands that he might return to his injury prone ways next year. Still, if I had a choice of RVP or Lewandowski, it wouldn't even be a choice.