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[themusketeer]

Exercise one is good

 

[abhi_jacko]

Zimbabwe Cricket confirms Pakistan tour | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Great news for both teams - Pakistan should be ever grateful to the Zimbabwean team for such a brave move. Now Pakistan really need to make sure they prevent any security mishaps at all - a 2009 SriLankan tour disaster is the last thing they want.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Steyn targets another WC, could cut short Bangladesh tour | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Makes sense logically, but maybe he shouldn't have worded it like this. A bit crass. BD fans will be upset

"At this stage of my career, I'd rather be saving myself to go and participate in the major tournaments, rather than wasting the few balls I have left in my career in a Bangladesh match," Steyn said in an interview with Wisden India.

"I'd rather go to Bangladesh to help and support future South African bowlers, and use what is left of the 10,000 or 20,000 deliveries that I have in my body for the big tournament. That's where I'm at personally. But at the beginning of my career, I would have done everything. I would have gone every tournament and to every place. But I've done it all now."

 

[PokerAce]

I was going through a list of the top 10 batsmen with most one day centuries, and found something extraordinary.

At No. 10 is Lara with 19 centuries.

At No. 2 is Ponting with 30 centuries, and of course the batsman with most one day centuries is Sachin Tendulkar with 49.

Now what is extraordinary is that Sachin has scored 19 centuries more than the person next in line, and so big is the margin that it equals the 10th highest ever One Day Century Scorer !!

In other words Sachin out-"centuried" the person next by such a huge margin that the difference alone would get you in the top 10 list of all time OD Hundred scorers.

 

[_Sam_]

I was going through a list of the top 10 batsmen with most one day centuries, and found something extraordinary.

At No. 10 is Lara with 19 centuries.

At No. 2 is Ponting with 30 centuries, and of course the batsman with most one day centuries is Sachin Tendulkar with 49.

Now what is extraordinary is that Sachin has scored 19 centuries more than the person next in line, and so big is the margin that it equals the 10th highest ever One Day Century Scorer !!

In other words Sachin out-"centuried" the person next by such a huge margin that the difference alone would get you in the top 10 list of all time OD Hundred scorers.

Lara's in 13th . Still a pretty impressive feat though!

 

[abhi_jacko]

In other words Sachin out-"centuried" the person next by such a huge margin that the difference alone would get you in the top 10 list of all time OD Hundred scorers.

Reminded me of a quote from Warne about Sachin where he said "Sachin is the best, daylight is second, and then there's the rest"

And while looking for this quote, came across the interview in which he said so. He says back in 2002 after Sachin's 29th Test hundred:

It is when I ask Warne, how many hundreds he thinks Tendulkar will finish up with that he says: "A hundred centuries."

Is this some excessive generosity, some throwaway line, some fantastic, arbitrary number that's just entered his head.

No, he's got it all perfectly worked out.
"I would be disappointed," says Warne, "if Sachin didnt get a hundred 100s in international cricket. I think he will easily get 40 Test centuries, probably 45, and about 55 one-day centuries."

Pretty close to what actually happened. Some good guessing there

Link to the interview article: Sachin's the best: Warne

 

[Markkkkk]

Just on the above mentioned stat. One has to take into account the amount of matches Tendulkar played. 164 more ODIs then Lara and 93 more ODIs then Ponting. Also 11 of his hundreds were against opposition that were either Associates or Zim/ Bang (Which are among the same level as Associates at the time). Not saying he isn't good (certainly overated) but you must look at all the stats when you want to list these figures...

 

[abhi_jacko]

^^ That actually only helps in proving his dominance over his peers. Not only did he outperform them, he outlasted them with unrivalled consistency.

1 century against BD and 1 century against Namibia. The remaining 5 against ZIM and 4 against Kenya - all of these made before 2003, when they were a LOT stronger than they are now. ZIM back then was definitely better than IRE today and might even have been better than the WI team of the last 3-4 years. Kenya were the Quarter Finalists in the 2003 world cup

 

[Markkkkk]

^^ That actually only helps in proving his dominance over his peers. Not only did he outperform them, he outlasted them with unrivalled consistency.

1 century against BD and 1 century against Namibia. The remaining 5 against ZIM and 4 against Kenya - all of these made before 2003, when they were a LOT stronger than they are now. ZIM back then was definitely better than IRE today and might even have been better than the WI team of the last 3-4 years. Kenya were the Quarter Finalists in the 2003 world cup

But they were still associates. I can tell you first hand that Zim were not better then the WI. Kenya got through by a shock win and a walkover over NZ. All they had to really do was be the best associate. The fact that he outlasted his competitors shows great fitness and determination by I dont think he outplayed them. Look at his closest competitors and they will be very close or better

 

[abhi_jacko]

Umm ZIM was a test team, not an associate. And those 5 centuries came in an era when ZIM cricket was at its best. ZIM would actually have been in the semifinals in 99 but lost out to NZ due to lower NRR. ZIM from 1997-2003 was definitely better than WI of the last 3-4 years imo

Look at his closest competitors and they will be very close or better

In ODIs ? Highly doubt that.

 

[Markkkkk]

Umm ZIM was a test team, not an associate. And those 5 centuries came in an era when ZIM cricket was at its best. ZIM would actually have been in the semifinals in 99 but lost out to NZ due to lower NRR. ZIM from 1997-2003 was definitely better than WI of the last 3-4 years imo


In ODIs ? Highly doubt that.

I said Zim were a test team (in my first post atleast). Zim was on the downfall in 2003 amd after looking at their squad, you could see that they werent as good. But even so the argument was not how good Zimbabwe was. Now I'm not saying Tendulkar was a great batsmen, in 2000s he was probably the best ODi batsman. All I was saying is that Tendulkars records are affected by the ammount of games he played, and that if other greats like Lara, Ponting and even Kallis were at the crease for the same amount of time Tendulkars records probably wouldnt be as phenomenal or maybe not even records.

 

[abhi_jacko]

that if other greats like Lara, Ponting and even Kallis were at the crease for the same amount of time Tendulkars records probably wouldnt be as phenomenal or maybe not even records.

Highly presumptuous assessment imo

Its like saying, if Gangster Squad had good acting, good direction, a good story and a good script it would be as great a crime drama as The Godfather.

 

[PokerAce]

Just on the above mentioned stat. One has to take into account the amount of matches Tendulkar played. 164 more ODIs then Lara and 93 more ODIs then Ponting. Also 11 of his hundreds were against opposition that were either Associates or Zim/ Bang (Which are among the same level as Associates at the time). Not saying he isn't good (certainly overated) but you must look at all the stats when you want to list these figures...

Well first of all to say he played more matches is neither here nor there. The guy maintained his fitness, to play as long as he did, and thus he played 20 years of his cricket, while most couldn't.

Also I don't really get the point about him scoring 100s vs Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Are batsmen not supposed to score runs against them. I mean Hayden got his 380 against Zimbabwe, and I didn't hear anyone complain then.

Also here is the thing, the Indian bowling unit in the Tendulkar's era was among the most generous units out there, and guess how many did Tendulkar score against this generous unit - NONE.

You say Tendulkar scored 11 against Zimbabwe and B'desh, as And its not like Pointing and Co. didn't score 100s against Zimbabwe and B'desh, but I guess that doesn't bother anyone, cos well Ponting and Co. are not SRT and thus don't have to be judged on a different, tougher and higher standard to everyone else.

However the thing that amuses me is that you call him over-rated, because 11 of his 100s came against Zim/B'desh and Associates. However you so blatantly and gloriously ignore how this stat so underlines his dominance. See how? No? Okay I will assume for a second that Ponting and others on the list never ever scored a 100 against Zim, B'desh, or any associate ever.

So here is the interesting bit, even if you take away these 11 hundereds that you say were scored against minnows, Tendulkar still has more 100s than anyone else, and comfortably so.

Even without these hundreds against Zimbabwe and B'desh and the likes, SRT has 38 Int'l One day 100s, still very very comfortably ahead of Ponting at 30, none of whose 100s have been taken away.

Over-rated? Okay then.

Edit - Wow they starred out m.i.n.n.o.w.s

Also all this talk of IF Kallis and Lara and Ponting had played more and what not, I will give you a much simpler IF ... IF SRT ever had the fielding and bowling unit to back him up, like the ones that Ponting or Kallis did, he would never have lost a single match ever. Period.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I will give you a much simpler IF ... IF SRT ever had the fielding and bowling unit to back him up, like the ones that Ponting or Kallis did, he would never have lost a single match ever. Period.

If Sachin was half a foot taller, he would be 6 feet tall !! FACT !

 

[Satan666]

hERE IS A DOSE OF REALITY FOR ALL SACHIN BLIND FANS:

Viv Richards best ODI batsman ever
Don Bradman best test batsman ever
Brian Lara best of the generation

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