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Zulqarnain Haider has landed in Islamabad. Last night I heard a telephonic call recording he had. He was abused and threatened with his life if he (haider) returned to Pakistan. I am starting to believe his honesty now. He was accused of making this all up to get asylum in UK. That is no more the case now. I hope our Pathetic government is successful in protecting him and he can spill some beans on the real crooks in our setup.
 
not so sure on that. yes he had technical faults which he seems to have sorted out. his technique is sound and he was scoring big runs. he should have been given another run in the ODI team instead of messing about with KP, Bell, keepers and so on.

That logic doesn't add up my friend. How was he scoring those big runs?. Was it it at a very fast rate? - no. Cook batting in the Ashes was like Jack Hobbs & Len Hutton style of the post war era - technical sound, solid & effecting but slow. How could you champion him getting a recall to the ODI set-up based on that, especially when he has a past career in ODIs where he proved he was totally not suited to ODIs?
 
because runs are runs. if he gets 50 off 70 odd balls in an odi then that is very very useful for england. especially with their batting woes at the top of the order. trott typically is pretty slow too in ODIs but gets quicker as the innings progress, which cook can learn. anyway I'm hearing his the favourite for ODI captaincy if Strauss steps down. good thinking ECB
 
because runs are runs. if he gets 50 off 70 odd balls in an odi then that is very very useful for england. especially with their batting woes at the top of the order. trott typically is pretty slow too in ODIs but gets quicker as the innings progress, which cook can learn. anyway I'm hearing his the favourite for ODI captaincy if Strauss steps down. good thinking ECB

No runs are not runs. It is at the rate at which you score those runs - which determines whether a player can be adaptable across formats & Cook has fundamentally shown he poor at doing that in his career.

Do you remember the last time Cook was recalled to the ODI team in 2009/2010 for series in South Africa & Bangladesh. On the back of a so called transformation & improved technique in his batting with the help of Graham Gooch in a few domestic limited overs game at the end of the 2009 season?. Read here Gooch fine-tunes his young protege | Cricket Features | England v Australia 2009 | ESPN Cricinfo

Do you remember then how when he actually played in those international ODI games vs BANG & ZIM we then saw nothing had changed & the selectors immediately dropped him?.

Now you are advocating him being recalled to ODI set-up when he hasn't even played a domestic ODI - but based on runs he made in test cricket @ a snails pace in era of power-play cricket?. My my friend you logic doesn't add up.

Recalling Cook would be even worse that the recent brain failure of making Prior open the batting in ODIs recently. Plus how do you explain Cook getting the ODI captaincy over KP or Swann in the event he gets picked?. I thought your skipper needs to be a fixture in the side?. Cook isn't that & regardless if you support his recall, he would be coming back needing to prove to MANY doubters that he could handle ODIs after years of struggles - how can you compound captaincy on person who has to prove himself with that bat?

On Trott. He is not slow in ODIs at (although at times he can be slow), people just get the illusion because he doesn't hit alot of boundaries/sixes compared to your typical dynamic/aggressive ODI # 3 like Ponting. But if Strauss was to retire from ODIs - Cook tactically is not the type of opener ENG would need at all, given that ENG have a history since the 1992 world cup (outside Trescothick & Knight) of finding aggressive quality opener who can take advantage of the 1st 15 overs/powe-play overs. Strauss himself had to transform himself into a aggressive ODI opener in recent years - so picking Cook takes us back to square 1, since a top 3 of Cook/Kieswetter or Davies/Trott is very vulnerable. Since

1. You putting pressure of the potential on the returning Kieswetter/Davies to give England all the impetus in the power-play overs (since Cook is going play an anchor man role) - in area where ENG for 20 years always have a problem. Why do you want to put two young but talented players under so much pressure in such a historically stagnant position?. They need an experienced proven opener like Strauss next to them for the time being.

2. You wil have two slowish players in your top 3 in the ODI side (Cook & Trott). Which is poor tactically for modern ODIs, having Trott @ # 3 is enough.

Their is so much wrong with picking Cook i can write a book about it.
 
I read in an urdu newspaper today that Haider has accused Kamran Akmal's father in law of being involved in fixing. Kamran Akmal has threatened legal action. Haider has also claimed that Umer Akmal made his life a hell whilst they were in UAE.
 
No runs are not runs. It is at the rate at which you score those runs - which determines whether a player can be adaptable across formats & Cook has fundamentally shown he poor at doing that in his career.

Do you remember the last time Cook was recalled to the ODI team in 2009/2010 for series in South Africa & Bangladesh. On the back of a so called transformation & improved technique in his batting with the help of Graham Gooch in a few domestic limited overs game at the end of the 2009 season?. Read here Gooch fine-tunes his young protege | Cricket Features | England v Australia 2009 | ESPN Cricinfo

Do you remember then how when he actually played in those international ODI games vs BANG & ZIM we then saw nothing had changed & the selectors immediately dropped him?.

Now you are advocating him being recalled to ODI set-up when he hasn't even played a domestic ODI - but based on runs he made in test cricket @ a snails pace in era of power-play cricket?. My my friend you logic doesn't add up.

Recalling Cook would be even worse that the recent brain failure of making Prior open the batting in ODIs recently. Plus how do you explain Cook getting the ODI captaincy over KP or Swann in the event he gets picked?. I thought your skipper needs to be a fixture in the side?. Cook isn't that & regardless if you support his recall, he would be coming back needing to prove to MANY doubters that he could handle ODIs after years of struggles - how can you compound captaincy on person who has to prove himself with that bat?

On Trott. He is not slow in ODIs at (although at times he can be slow), people just get the illusion because he doesn't hit alot of boundaries/sixes compared to your typical dynamic/aggressive ODI # 3 like Ponting. But if Strauss was to retire from ODIs - Cook tactically is not the type of opener ENG would need at all, given that ENG have a history since the 1992 world cup (outside Trescothick & Knight) of finding aggressive quality opener who can take advantage of the 1st 15 overs/powe-play overs. Strauss himself had to transform himself into a aggressive ODI opener in recent years - so picking Cook takes us back to square 1, since a top 3 of Cook/Kieswetter or Davies/Trott is very vulnerable. Since

1. You putting pressure of the potential on the returning Kieswetter/Davies to give England all the impetus in the power-play overs (since Cook is going play an anchor man role) - in area where ENG for 20 years always have a problem. Why do you want to put two young but talented players under so much pressure in such a historically stagnant position?. They need an experienced proven opener like Strauss next to them for the time being.

2. You wil have two slowish players in your top 3 in the ODI side (Cook & Trott). Which is poor tactically for modern ODIs, having Trott @ # 3 is enough.

Their is so much wrong with picking Cook i can write a book about it.

u have ur opinions i have mine. for me picking him makes sense. davies and kieswetter dont have a place in the side while prior is still doing ok. one more run for cook is needed and i think it will happen. lets just agree to disagree :cheers
 
u have ur opinions i have mine. for me picking him makes sense. davies and kieswetter dont have a place in the side while prior is still doing ok. one more run for cook is needed and i think it will happen. lets just agree to disagree :cheers

Ok now im confused abt everything you are saying. Are you telling that you consider Prior recent performances since his disastrous recall to the ODI team in Australia to be "ok"?.
 
interest in the IPL seems very low

Not watching it personally, and I'm a big fan of the IPL. I'm catching some of the weekend games, especially if Chennai is playing, but i've only really watched 1 whole innings all the way through so far. I am following it regularly on Cricinfo though, more than teams i'm interested in the performance of specific players.
 
I just meant in terms of forum activity and even television rating according to some independent articles.

I think no matter how hard they try to push franchises, cricket will always be an international sport first.
 
I think it's the timing. After the WC most people have had their fill of cricket and interest in the IPL is low, since the matches don't really matter and quality of cricket isn't so high.

Like Cricketman I check up now and then on what's happening and follow certain players, but have barely watched a thing.
 
There is nothing to do with international cricket. IPL is different and its not catching attention just because world cup ended. If the IPL started a month or so later and if we could cancel the West Indies your it could have been different.
 
I only check the results to see how the kiwis did, I don't really care about who wins. After the WC, this is a bit meh
 
if i hadn't made a fantasy team i wouldn't too much into it like the previous seasons but apart from that i think its best just to follow one team or a few players so you dont lose your interest.
 

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