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Tbh, after the WC, all forms of limited overs (ODI,T20, IPL etc) is meh. No one cares.

Which is why I can't wait for Test cricket to start again. Out of curiosity, what's SA's next series and when? Really want to see an attack with all three of Steyn, Morkel and Tahir.
 
I was only checking the scores, but since I gave up on the Cricinfo FC I barely do that now. Most people's interest in it dies down around the midway mark where there are just too many games.
 
Tbh, after the WC, all forms of limited overs (ODI,T20, IPL etc) is meh. No one cares.

Which is why I can't wait for Test cricket to start again. Out of curiosity, what's SA's next series and when? Really want to see an attack with all three of Steyn, Morkel and Tahir.

SA next test series is vs AUS in Sept.

Plus yea add Fridel De Wet to that SA attack (if the SA selectors where to catch sense & stop picking the Kolpak selected Tsotsobe) along with Kallis & you would have the most complete attack in the world.
 
Like someone said, any series following the Cricket World Cup, international or a club competition would find it tough to attract the audience.
 
SA next test series is vs AUS in Sept.

Plus yea add Fridel De Wet to that SA attack (if the SA selectors where to catch sense & stop picking the Kolpak selected Tsotsobe) along with Kallis & you would have the most complete attack in the world.

Haven't seen much of De Wet. Is he pacy, or line and length like Tsotsobe? If it's the former, then I would choose Parnell instead.

Should be a good series, though. Any ideas on Australia's squad?
 
Haven't seen much of De Wet. Is he pacy, or line and length like Tsotsobe? If it's the former, then I would choose Parnell instead.

Ye he pacy, highs 80s (85-88 mph) bowls a good natural inswinger. Impressed alot when ENG toured SA in 09/10 - then he got injured. He was playing FC cricket in SA while IND toured recently & the only reason Tsotsobe was the preferred 3rd seamer to Steyn/Morkel was because the SA board wanted a symbolic black player to directly replace Ntini.

Parnell isn't the finished article yet also IMO - not ready for tests. Guys like De Wet and even Ryan McLaren are the best 3rd seamer options for SA - but they white so sadly they wont get picked regularly/at all. :facepalm (the crazy things that happen in cricket these days).


Should be a good series, though. Any ideas on Australia's squad?

Ha nah. No idea what the make up the bowling attack especially will be come that series, since AUS have a tour SRI before the SA one.
 
Hmm, that SRI series should be a good one. Will be interesting to see if they use a spinner to exploit the conditions (if there is one who can), or adopt a 4-man pace attack stategy.
 
only reason Tsotsobe was the preferred 3rd seamer to Steyn/Morkel was because the SA board wanted a symbolic black player to directly replace Ntini.
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Tsotsobe's done nothing to warrant being dropped. de Wet's probably fourth behind him, but they want to groom Parnell for the future.
 
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Tsotsobe's done nothing to warrant being dropped. de Wet's probably fourth behind him, but they want to groom Parnell for the future.

Well firstly i wasn't talking about the future, i was referring to the past - the recent past with regards to recent IND vs SA test in SA, where Tsotsobe was clearly a quota selection over De Wet, who was playing FC in SA at the time of that test series & who had impressed immensely in his debut series vs ENG 09/10 before injuries ruled him out of the majority of 2010. Compared to Tsotosobe who had done nothing of note in SA tests vs WI 2010 to warrant selection or the consistent selection that he got throughtout that year over other coloured players. His selection & backing was 100% quota & due to the fact that they wanted a black player to directly replace Ntini. The only S African poster on this site stefan was ranting about this throughout the IND vs SA test series thread, so whether you believe it or not - is a bit irrelevant at this late stage.


Tsotsobe ATM may have indeed not have done anything to be dropped given how respectably he ended up bowling vs IND (Or as i would put it - the "politico's" have a reason to force to selectors to keep him in). A series in which i'd say the IND batsmen IMO gave away alot of wickets to him due to them not rating him after having survived testing spells from Steyn/Morkel - thus he ended up getting a few cheap wickets. Overall 7 wickets @ 48 is no series return for any bowler as you suggested "has done nothing to be dropped" - that is very poor. Such struggles performances should mean by the time SA next test series comes around if merit selection is the name of the game De Wet or McLaren should be ahead of him. Both De Wet & Tsotsobe are playing county cricket right now (De Wet in the high standard division 1 & Tsotsobe in the low standard div 2). A top-class season for De Wet could certainly bring him back into contention for SA next test series vs Australia in September for eg.

But i personally expect LT to get exposed sooner rather than later, since he wont be the first average bowler in test history who is crap to have had decent days in the sun - then eventually top standard players to expose his deficiencies.

Plus even Ryan McLaren is better bowler than Tsotsobe & gives SA a better all-round backage with his batting @ # 8. Since SA technically do have a long tail with Steyn, Morkel, Tahir (Harris before).

Your point with "grooming of Parnell for the future" also doesn't make any sense. Which team in their right mind would want to groom a young bowler by playing him in tests, who isn't a finished article ,over a already complete season performer (De Wet or McClaren). That is not smart selection & usually selectors end up with egg on their faces.

Although it could be done since i reckon if Steyn/Morkel/Tahir bowl as i expect them to. They could dominate most international batting line-ups they way McGrath/Gillespie/Warne did for AUS in the 2000s & they could probably carry Parnell in such an attack the same way AUS carried Lee for years. But its not a necessary tactic since they have better finished article bowlers.

Tsotosbe is not even the best black/coloured fast-bowler in S Africa. These two are better than him IMOCraig Alexander & E O'Reilly
 
Tsotosbe is not even the best black/coloured fast-bowler in S Africa. These two are better than him IMOCraig Alexander & E O'Reilly

Ethan O'Reilly has only this season finally broken into franchise cricket, at 25 years of age. To say he's a better bowler then Tsotosbe is a pretty massive call imo when O'Reilly's really only managed to play amatuer cricket for most of his career.

I do tend to agree with you with your thoughts on Tsotosbe as a Test cricketer however.
 
Ethan O'Reilly has only this season finally broken into franchise cricket, at 25 years of age. To say he's a better bowler then Tsotosbe is a pretty massive call imo when O'Reilly's really only managed to play amatuer cricket for most of his career.

I do tend to agree with you with your thoughts on Tsotosbe as a Test cricketer however.

All true about O'Reilly, but my S African connects give me the impression that he should have being a regular franchise player for Lions long before this season.

Plus IMO based on what i've seen of him, if he EVER gets close to playing tests for SA, he has more of the raw skills likely to be a success in that format than Tsostsobe would ever be i.e natural pace, genuine outswing. But of course presuming he ever dons SA colours, whether he makes use of those raw skills @ the highest level is another question.
 
That is a shame really. I've always enjoyed Tests between to two sides. A busy schedule is the reason they've cut back but you have to wonder if this is going to lead to other series cutting back on Tests especially because T20 is more profitable. I sure hope it doesn't.
 

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