General Cricket Discussion

Untouchables_666 said:
Countries need to have a strong first class system and proper facilities/cricket grounds before being given test status else we end up having a team still ranking at number 9 amongst test playing nations after 20 years!
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Goodness they're so crap I agree. Top ten out of 104 ICC member countries despite a GDP of c. $2,000 per capita.
 
If there's no Intercontinental Cup I don't see how any team will be granted full-member status again other than doing exceptionally well at a World Cup, which is hard enough for them to qualify.

Should Ireland, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe not be included in the next Test World Championships I'd be glad to see Netherlands, Scotland and other teams with ODI status given a temporary test status to play four-day matches in some kind of second division.

Providing those full-members do get some test matches against the 'big 9' otherwise it's really pointless them having test status.
 
wasteyouryouth said:
If there's no Intercontinental Cup I don't see how any team will be granted full-member status again other than doing exceptionally well at a World Cup, which is hard enough for them to qualify.

Should Ireland, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe not be included in the next Test World Championships I'd be glad to see Netherlands, Scotland and other teams with ODI status given a temporary test status to play four-day matches in some kind of second division.

Providing those full-members do get some test matches against the 'big 9' otherwise it's really pointless them having test status.
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That is very disturbing the Intercontinental Cup is no more.

I fully agree with them playing in a second division (Tier system), this way as you rightfully pointed out even more teams can be given a ‘4day test status’ of some kind. Lovely idea buddy!
 
Aislabie said:
I certainly would not oppose the West Indian nations representing themselves, though ultimately if the players' interests, career prospects and wellbeing are better served by the West Indies remaining together, then that is how things should remain because I've no interest in compromising people's livelihoods.

However, if we are looking at which teams I feel should have been allowed into the fold to play Test cricket and when, then that list would include:
  1. View attachment 250181 England (1877*)
  2. View attachment 250182 Australia (1877*)
  3. View attachment 250184 United States (1878*)
  4. View attachment 250188 Scotland (1882*)
  5. View attachment 250189 Ireland (1888*)
  6. View attachment 250191 Wales (1888*)
  7. View attachment 250183 South Africa (1889*)
  8. View attachment 250192 Barbados (1891)
  9. View attachment 250194 Guyana (1891)
  10. View attachment 250195 Trinidad & Tobago (1891)
  11. View attachment 250196 Jamaica (1896)
  12. View attachment 250203 Argentina (1912)
  13. View attachment 250185 Canada (1913)
  14. View attachment 250186 India (1926)
  15. View attachment 250190 New Zealand (1926)
  16. View attachment 250187 Fiji (1948)
  17. View attachment 250201 Zimbabwe (1946, originally as Rhodesia)
  18. View attachment 250199 Pakistan (1952)
  19. View attachment 250197 Combined Islands (1961^)
  20. View attachment 250200 Sri Lanka (1975)
  21. View attachment 250204 Bermuda (1972)
  22. View attachment 250202 Bangladesh (1986)
  23. View attachment 250206 United Arab Emirates (1994)
  24. View attachment 250205 Kenya (1996)
  25. View attachment 250207 Netherlands (1996)
  26. View attachment 250208 Namibia (2003)
  27. View attachment 250209 Hong Kong (2004)
  28. View attachment 250215 Uganda (2004)
  29. View attachment 250212 Nepal (2005)
  30. View attachment 250210 Afghanistan (2009)
  31. View attachment 250211 Papua New Guinea (2014)
  32. View attachment 250213 Oman (2019)
  33. we are here...
* the concept of what a Test was would only be outlined some time later, with seemingly arbitrary distinctions made by a journalist. But we'll take his word for it
^ the Combined Islands team is in lieu of the tiny West Indian islands each having to field a team of their own - though they would have the right to do so if, like Antigua and Barbuda in the 1970s and 1980s, they had the infrastructure and/or players to make it happen.
Just because a team has the right to play in Test cricket does not mean that they are mandated to play Test cricket. To force present-day Argentina into a Test match would be silly - but with such opportunities, who is to say that Argentina would be in the position they are today?

Honestly, I would happily add more teams to that list. I probably have missed some, but you get the general idea. No team should be forced to play Test cricket, but every team should have the opportunity to play Test cricket. It is inarguable that many of those teams would ultimately have drifted out of Test cricket, but the important thing I keep stressing is that cricket gets nowhere by shutting itself away in its ivory tower and denying teams the chance to improve and players the chance to make a living.

I would also see Test cricket be organised with far more of a tournament structure, reminiscent to how international rugby is structured with the Six Nations and Rugby Championship, and a quadrennial World Cup in the format; rugby is a particularly apt comparison owing to the necessity of time off to allow players' bodies to recover between games - much like is needed between Test matches. The Six Nations sees teams play five games in seven weeks as more than that would be physically unachievable.
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I fantasy book some test teams like Argentina and Oman when I was younger as well.

On a serious note though our opinions have always contrast too wide of a horizon to have any meaningful argument on this topic. Though I can give if a Tier system is introduced, and I do understand your trend of thinking for inclusion of other countries but with the present system it simply does not make sense.
 
Aislabie said:
I certainly would not oppose the West Indian nations representing themselves, though ultimately if the players' interests, career prospects and wellbeing are better served by the West Indies remaining together, then that is how things should remain because I've no interest in compromising people's livelihoods.

However, if we are looking at which teams I feel should have been allowed into the fold to play Test cricket and when, then that list would include:
  1. View attachment 250181 England (1877*)
  2. View attachment 250182 Australia (1877*)
  3. View attachment 250184 United States (1878*)
  4. View attachment 250188 Scotland (1882*)
  5. View attachment 250189 Ireland (1888*)
  6. View attachment 250191 Wales (1888*)
  7. View attachment 250183 South Africa (1889*)
  8. View attachment 250192 Barbados (1891)
  9. View attachment 250194 Guyana (1891)
  10. View attachment 250195 Trinidad & Tobago (1891)
  11. View attachment 250196 Jamaica (1896)
  12. View attachment 250203 Argentina (1912)
  13. View attachment 250185 Canada (1913)
  14. View attachment 250186 India (1926)
  15. View attachment 250190 New Zealand (1926)
  16. View attachment 250187 Fiji (1948)
  17. View attachment 250201 Zimbabwe (1946, originally as Rhodesia)
  18. View attachment 250199 Pakistan (1952)
  19. View attachment 250197 Combined Islands (1961^)
  20. View attachment 250200 Sri Lanka (1975)
  21. View attachment 250204 Bermuda (1972)
  22. View attachment 250202 Bangladesh (1986)
  23. View attachment 250206 United Arab Emirates (1994)
  24. View attachment 250205 Kenya (1996)
  25. View attachment 250207 Netherlands (1996)
  26. View attachment 250208 Namibia (2003)
  27. View attachment 250209 Hong Kong (2004)
  28. View attachment 250215 Uganda (2004)
  29. View attachment 250212 Nepal (2005)
  30. View attachment 250210 Afghanistan (2009)
  31. View attachment 250211 Papua New Guinea (2014)
  32. View attachment 250213 Oman (2019)
  33. we are here...
* the concept of what a Test was would only be outlined some time later, with seemingly arbitrary distinctions made by a journalist. But we'll take his word for it
^ the Combined Islands team is in lieu of the tiny West Indian islands each having to field a team of their own - though they would have the right to do so if, like Antigua and Barbuda in the 1970s and 1980s, they had the infrastructure and/or players to make it happen.
Just because a team has the right to play in Test cricket does not mean that they are mandated to play Test cricket. To force present-day Argentina into a Test match would be silly - but with such opportunities, who is to say that Argentina would be in the position they are today?

Honestly, I would happily add more teams to that list. I probably have missed some, but you get the general idea. No team should be forced to play Test cricket, but every team should have the opportunity to play Test cricket. It is inarguable that many of those teams would ultimately have drifted out of Test cricket, but the important thing I keep stressing is that cricket gets nowhere by shutting itself away in its ivory tower and denying teams the chance to improve and players the chance to make a living.

I would also see Test cricket be organised with far more of a tournament structure, reminiscent to how international rugby is structured with the Six Nations and Rugby Championship, and a quadrennial World Cup in the format; rugby is a particularly apt comparison owing to the necessity of time off to allow players' bodies to recover between games - much like is needed between Test matches. The Six Nations sees teams play five games in seven weeks as more than that would be physically unachievable.
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This gives me an interesting idea for a league when the World T20 is over....
 
BCCI have confirmed UAE is the second option after India to host the T20 World Cup in October.
 
I dont mind it being held in UAE. Think its a workable solution, gutted India cant be hosts but the situation in India makes it very very difficult and unsafe to host any tournament
 
Pinch hitter said:
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Murali has had an impactful career, with some great accolades but he was never a bowler he chucked his way to 800 test wickets and Hair was right for no balling him! Had it none been for the upcoming powerhouse of Asia the Indians to strong arm the ICC into their socialist ideals this would never been allowed to occur and Murali banned from bowling forever in test cricket! Sadly its not the case and we have to live with his record as the guy who chucked his bloody way to amassing 800 test victims!
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ddrap14 said:
There's no doubt Hair was biased, but I think that it was independent of the Australians. We're about twenty years too early for a cheating scandal
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Really? So because an umpire showed bravery to stand up to the system and called out a guy who was obviously bowling with a bent arm should be labelled bias, wow!
 
Untouchables_666 said:
Murali has had an impactful career, with some great accolades but he was never a bowler he chucked his way to 800 test wickets and Hair was right for no balling him! Had it none been for the upcoming powerhouse of Asia the Indians to strong arm the ICC into their socialist ideals this would never been allowed to occur and Murali banned from bowling forever in test cricket! Sadly its not the case and we have to live with his record as the guy who chucked his bloody way to amassing 800 test victims!
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So you know better than every biomechanics expert who tested his action? Come on, now.
 
CerealKiller said:
So you know better than every biomechanics expert who tested his action? Come on, now.
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Many in the cricketing world holds the same view. If I remember correctly they actually adjusted the limits for deliveries after this fiasco to suit Murali’s action which is obviously bent!

What those biomechanics proved is that he is unable to straighten his arm due to perhaps an issue at birth. Does not take away from the fact that he was unable to bowl with a straight arm and way pass in most deliveries the 15 degree limit.

There is a reason why we have the special olympics you should check it out. There is a wide debate now on Transgender inclusion in women’s sports due to having an advantage.
 
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