Right I got to change the views thanks a bunch, the view I was after was a bit far away from the car but was ok. What do you guys think of Toca Race Driver 3?
I'm suprised no one has mentioned Live for Speed, which at this moment is in 'alpha' mode. This implies its a buggy pre-beta, but it is suprisingly stable, and has a large community.
http://www.lfs.net/
There are lots of tracks and cars to try, and you can customize it heavily to make it as arcadey or as realistic as you wish.
The trial is good, it has a baby F1 car to try out, as well as two others, one of which I can remember is a GTI. Its got a good physics engine and some excellent motion blur features.
LFS, is this a free game? Looks pretty good I'm downloading the demo some LFS:Alpha2 demo thingy
I think I'm going to go for GTR2, does that have a good online base?
Also this is the kind of view I'm on about: http://www.blimeygames.com/site/images/screens/gtl_008.jpg
Yeah I got the view but its like mega zoomed in so looks really awful.
I should also add, press 7 on the keypad to zoom out whilst in the swingman camera, and 9 on the keypad to zoom in.
One other thing with most of these demos I've played the car seems to handle itself, it breaks on its own but the most annoying part is on a straight it keeps moving to one side...