How can the ICC raise over-rates?

[sohum]

Shouldn't get that far behind in a single session though. Remember at the moment the time added at the end of the day is across all 3 sessions so you should really only be adding a third. If 30mins is deemed enough time at the moment you should only be looking at 10mins off the break.

It is deemed enough time at the moment, but it still does not result in 90 overs being bowled in the day. We've seen in this test match 24-25 overs being bowled in the first session. Those 5 extra overs, at that over rate, would take another 24-25 minutes to bowl.

 

[aussie1st]

I think it's oversimplification to blame it on the subcontinent. There were at least two other factors which may have affected that:

- Increased media coverage of over-rates and impending pressure from the ICC
- Australia, for the most part, weren't put under pressure by New Zealand, unlike in India when they were playing catch-up quite a bit

Possibly but how I see it is because it's hotter in the subcontinent and more breaks are taken we see a lot less overs been bowled. And even with pressure from the media and ICC we still have slow over rates in the England tour of India.

As for pressure well we will know much more when SA are over here. Also I missed the India tour of Aus last year but were the overrates slow there?

 

[sohum]

As for pressure well we will know much more when SA are over here. Also I missed the India tour of Aus last year but were the overrates slow there?

Yes, I was just about to bring that up. I remember the over rates being pretty poor when India toured there last but as usual there being no punishment for Ponting. I especially remember because Australia were thinking of going with a 4-prong seam attack though their over-rate with Hogg in the side blew anyways.

Let me just confirm this though with some crude analysis based on Cricinfo notes (the team name is the side bowling). It is crude because I don't remember stoppages in play or whether they had to go into the extra 30 minutes to finish up. Any figures in parentheses indicate a rough calculation based on 2 overs for change of innings, if teams only bowled a small part of a given session.

1st Test @ Melbourne
Day 1: India 27, India 29, India 34 ; TOTAL: 90
Day 2: Australia 21.4 (26.2), Australia 26, Australia 24.1 & India 8 (10) ; TOTAL: 86 (including overs for innings changeover)
Day 3: India 29, India 26, India 25 & Australia 8 (10) ; TOTAL: 90
Day 4: Australia 27, Australia 26

Summary: It appears the only sessions that came close to the acceptable over rate of 15 an hour were Day 1, Session 2 and Day 3, Session 1. Discounting the mixed sessions and post-tea sessions, India's over rate was 13.5 and Australia's was 13.1. Not much of a difference, but still below the required.

2nd Test @ Sydney
Day 1: India 25, India 27, India 37 ; TOTAL: 89
Day 2: India 22.3 (27.3), Australia 27, Australia 32; TOTAL: 86.3
Day 3: Australia 26, Australia 25, Australia 25.2 (32.2) ; TOTAL: 83.2
Day 4: RAIN/BAD LIGHT
Day 5: India 23.4 (27.4), Australia 24, Australia 39.2

Summary: Slightly difficult to tell but on the 3 full days of play, the 90 overs were never bowled and there was no bad light either. The day India was bowling, 1 over was lost but the days when Australia were primarily bowling about 11 overs were lost. Cumulatively, India had a rate of about 13.4 and Australia had one of about 12.5.

3rd Test @ Perth
Day 1: Australia 24, Australia 27, Australia 33 ; TOTAL: 84
Day 2: Australia 14.2 (24.2), India 23, India 19 (32) ; TOTAL: 79.2
Day 3: Australia 22, Australia 32, Both 30.4 (32.4) ; TOTAL: 86.4
Day 4: India 25, India 27, India 19.5

Summary: Both teams had a couple of pathetic sessions. Notably, India's over rate on Day 2 sucked, as did Australia's. However, apart from the 32-over session in the middle of Day 3 both teams were bad: Australia had an average of about 13.1 and India 12.3.

4th Test @ Adelaide
Day 1: Australia 26, Australia 27, Australia 33 ; TOTAL: 86
Day 2: Australia 26, Australia 39 (extended), India 21 (24.5); TOTAL: 90
Day 3: India 30, India 27, India 33 ; TOTAL: 90
Day 4: India 31, India 25, Both 31 (33) ; TOTAL: 89
Day 5: Australia 24, Australia 25, Australia 24 ; TOTAL: 77

Summary: This had a couple of really good sessions, both from India. The overrates tended to be better (maybe the match referee had a chat), but they faded out towards the end. Averages: India had about 14.1 and Australia had about 13.

So it looks like 15 is definitely too high a target unless they really get the message through to the players that they are serious about it. Wickets obviously need to be factored in, but a lot of times captains spend too much time talking with their players and setting fields, especially when the situation is tight.

 

[Mr.Cricket]

Whats with all the fuss about over-rates these days ? I don't really have a problem with over-rates as long as the bowling side bowl the 90 overs in 6 and half hours of play (including the extra half an hour) or very close to it.

 

[aussie1st]

Mainly cricket fans are losing a few overs each day which can total up to 20 overs lost in a test match. If they can't finish their overs with the extra 30 minutes then we have problems.

And yep not just a subcontient thing as SA were well behind on their overrate today.

 

[sohum]

And yep not just a subcontient thing as SA were well behind on their overrate today.

And that's with a spinner bowling 20ish overs!

sohum added 1 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

Whats with all the fuss about over-rates these days ? I don't really have a problem with over-rates as long as the bowling side bowl the 90 overs in 6 and half hours of play (including the extra half an hour) or very close to it.

A couple of reasons:

1) Teams are beginning to use this to their advantage when they need to think about starting to save a match (like India was looking to do in the 1st Test against England).

2) Reports suggest 90-105 overs used to be bowled in the 6 hours available a couple of decades ago. If this isn't cracked down on now and captains feel like they can get away with anything, then they're only going to get worse.

 

[Kev]

Whats with all the fuss about over-rates these days ? I don't really have a problem with over-rates as long as the bowling side bowl the 90 overs in 6 and half hours of play (including the extra half an hour) or very close to it.

I don't think I've ever been to a really good days cricket where it overran and thought that the slow over rate has been a problem, In these occasions i've never felt shortchanged. I have been to a few days where the cricket has been poor and it's obvious to everyone that the cricket is being deliberatley played slowly. At times like this I have felt a bit cheated and have on occasion left early as well. The problem is you can't differentiate between a good days cricket and a poor days cricket, its subjective you need to have some sort of a limit as much in the interests of fairness as in the interests of spectators and/or tv.

 

[simran3]

THEY should penalise the player , by not giving them lunch and fining them all there match fees for year :hpraise

The player should be getting no money for the whole year ..then lets see who breaks the rulez.

 

[Amiya]

THEY should penalise the player , by not giving them lunch and fining them all there match fees for year :hpraise

The player should be getting no money for the whole year ..then lets see who breaks the rulez.

That's the best suggestion. Lol. I don't think these are much needed. It's a pretty harsh decision of 15overs/ hr. Now a days, teams are not able to complete 14overs/hr, how can we think of that? Correct me if i am wrong.

 

[barmyarmy]

So if 6 bowlers bowl in the space of a session - half the team get no lunch? What about the evening session - no dinner?

 

[sohum]

So if 6 bowlers bowl in the space of a session - half the team get no lunch? What about the evening session - no dinner?

No laundry service!