ICC Champions Trophy 2013 - England & Wales

[superfreddie]

Trott is perfect for those games, hardly ever fails for England, well done lads, it'll be tough against India( probably)

 

[Samuels]

Trott is perfect for those games, hardly ever fails for England, well done lads, it'll be tough against India( probably)

You never know. If England bowl like they did today, Indians might find themselves in some disconcert. Yes, their batting is better than the Africans but if England can restrict them under 250, India lack the teeth in their attack to get England out before the target. So, England will be hoping to see India in the finals than the Srilankans who have a far better bowling line-up compared to the Indians.

 

[Ahmad94]

Well that was expected. Without the likes of Morkel and Steyn, they were never going to win, EVER. The only decent batsmen they have is AB and Amla. They rest are pretty inconsitent. Andersen the the world's 6th best, he was surely going to rip through the top order (which he did). Tredwell surpriosed me a little, but I know he has a great domestic record. England were strong favourites all along.

 

[SaiSrini]

You might want to change that to 'tails'.

I guess you don't read the forums these days as much as before? He seems like an official troll backed by the PC team to test the endurance and patience levels of the Indian members.

Back on the games - another knockout, another defeat for SA. Sad that they are a consistently good team, but they consistently perform badly in the big stages. Hope India make sure they keep their engine rolling, and reach the final. I would prefer that they make it to the final through non-weather reasons, which would be a lot more happier. But even if they make it due to the weather, they would have deserved it.

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You never know. If England bowl like they did today, Indians might find themselves in some disconcert. Yes, their batting is better than the Africans but if England can restrict them under 250, India lack the teeth in their attack to get England out before the target. So, England will be hoping to see India in the finals than the Srilankans who have a far better bowling line-up compared to the Indians.

England can't be sure that they can restrict India to a manageable total. India's batting has been red hot in this tournament with the top order consistently firing. India's bowling attack is not great, but has been consistent enough to keep the opposition down in check, and has picked wickets too.

IMHO, England would most likely prefer Sri Lanka rather than India in the final.

 

[Aalay]

So Graeme Swann since January 1st, 2012 has played 15 ODI's with an average of 46 and economy rate of 4.8. In the same time period James Tredwell has played 13 ODI's with an average of 19 and economy of 4.51. When I started this discussion earlier this year, somebody called it a "stupid discussion" but right now, most of the experts are saying that even if Graeme Swann is fit, James Tradwell should play ahead of him in the final. What do you guys think?

 

[cricxpert]

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[zeustrojanstark]

India will qualify anyway. *period*

 

[Owzat]

I would heavily fault Cook for not sending in Buttler at the fall of the 3rd wicket, run rates didn't matter so a little run out under no pressure might have helped him get a few runs and confidence under his belt instead of Morgan who is already established.

I wouldn't have expected him to do that at 41/2, but anything between 30-70 runs to get in that almost zero pressure situation would have given him a boost.

He could also have not bowled Bopara and Root, instead pressed to finish the innings off with his main four bowlers and bowled the fifth allocation if needed at the end. South Africa were 133/8 off 31 overs when they brought Root on. For the sake of nine overs by which time they'd have probably finished off the innings, even if South Africa had added 30-40 runs would they have been any more able to attack the fifth bowler(s)?

So Graeme Swann since January 1st, 2012 has played 15 ODI's with an average of 46 and economy rate of 4.8. In the same time period James Tredwell has played 13 ODI's with an average of 19 and economy of 4.51. When I started this discussion earlier this year, somebody called it a "stupid discussion" but right now, most of the experts are saying that even if Graeme Swann is fit, James Tradwell should play ahead of him in the final. What do you guys think?

Most people do take a while to shift their opinion, normally when plenty have already done so. In fairness to Swann he is overused in all formats, so his figures may be in part due to that.

But that just makes a case for not playing the same core of players in Tests and ODIs which I've said for some time. I suppose the problem is when we bring so called "ODI specialists" in they often suck, Shight, Yardy, Buttler, Woakes etc.



Unfortunately when England win a game or two they convince themselves it is only "luck" or a matter of time, cricket is a team game but individuals perform and can have said performances analysed. The selectors would keep on picking the same old same old if they had their way, dropping the newbies when they fail but not dropping the select few like Bell, Broad and even Bresnan without LONG periods of nothing.

Bresnan's averaged as low as 32-33 for a match or two, first against Ireland then 1/25 against Australia, then again a 4/28 against Bangladesh brought it down again, but since then it has only once dipped a little below 35. Even at 40 SR, 35 runs per wicket that means every two ODIs he takes 3/105 off 20 overs which is ok but nothing special for someone contributing 14 runs per innings batted.

It was good to see Finn called back, albeit another from the Test "squad", got arguably the most important wicket of Amla. He offers something different to Broad, Bresnan and Anderson, a bit of pace. But for 13 runs off his 3rd over he bowled reasonably well. Of course Bresnan if retained may well have picked up 3-4 wickets, but such is cricket. You pick for the longer term, not one-off performances that might come along every five or six ODIs

 

[Fenil]

I wonder where is Shami Ahmad? He looked so good for India before he was shown the door all of a sudden.

 

[Owzat]

I wonder if Sri Lanka regret Jayasuriya saying they'd target the Indian bowlers. I mean "their bowling isn't the best" and being 69/3 must have someone feeling a tad embarrassed.......................

India v England may be the tighter final, assuming India don't humble England who've winged it so far

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

all I can remember in this tournament is perera getting out within the first 2 or 3 overs, been a total failure.

india's bowling is usually a bit under-rated though, especially in ODIs, they lack bite but they're sort of like england's batting line up, dependable and solid.

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in the mean time, anyone the foggiest idea why the hell dhoni is bowling?

 

[kushy28]

Looking forward for today's win of India against Srilanka. Nice bowling by Jadeja.

 

[Fenil]

We have finally managed to break the partnership. 133 in 42 overs is too less a score when you look at that Indian batting line-up. Srilankans will be hoping that Mendis, the man with great record against India -- Perera and Dilshan (he might be back if needed) provide some late blitzkrieg to swell their total and go past 210.

 

[SaiSrini]

At least for the sake of the middle order, one of these guys should get out now! If Raina, Dhoni and co. want some batting practice before the big final against England in swinging conditions, they need to come out and bat here. I would personally have Dhoni or Raina come out to bat next, and have them get a feel. Especially Raina!

 

[Ahmad94]

As much as I hate to admit it, India have the most balanced side. And the fact the Indian batsmen always attack, which is where other teams (especially Pakistan) ahev been unsuccessful.