ICC Cricket World Cup - May/July 2019

[LiveLoveABD]

I have a genuine question to Pakistani fans about the shows on TV. Do people take these shows seriously? The Basit Ali show does more damage to Pakistan cricket and the mindset of the watching public than anything else. We had a phase where TV news would sit and create conspiracy theories on air around cricket. You cannot fool gullible audience with this horrible conspiracy theories. Pakistani cricket deserves better than shows like these. 2 days after the India Eng game, so-called sportsman are taking jibes at India. Its a larger problem. We as people do not do well in sport because we are not sporting as people. Must stop supporting this crap, both in India and Pakistan. India lost to England, and could have lost to Bangladesh today. Just that you guys would'nt have cared if India lost today because it didn't matter to you guys. Also special mention to Abdul Razzaq for involving Shami's religion on a cricket analysis show! Really! Our nations must grow up.

All this chanakya niti crap from our side and the Basit Ali like folks on the other have actually done damage to genuine banter that was going on between fans this World Cup. Guys like Osman Samiuddin, Sid Monga, Ahmer Naqwi must get more airtime and popularity. Folks like Gambhir and Basit are a cancer.

I think you can add Sehwag. There is no need for his over smart terminology. It was okay till he did it once, but it has become disgusting and pathetic now. Neither Pakistan, nor Bangladesh are above or below us. We are all equals, as human beings. Those poms used secularism to divide us and we are still fighting 75 years later among us.

I will say one thing- I have full faith that no one will use fixing claims on Indian tv without proof. I think that is just way overboard.

 

[Master Khan]

I think you can add Sehwag. There is no need for his over smart terminology. It was okay till he did it once, but it has become disgusting and pathetic now. Neither Pakistan, nor Bangladesh are above or below us. We are all equals, as human beings. Those poms used secularism to divide us and we are still fighting 75 years later among us.

I will say one thing- I have full faith that no one will use fixing claims on Indian TV without proof. I think that is just way overboard.

Yeah I agree and because of media Pakistanis and Indians are still fighting, they just do it for ratings and fame and don't care how it effects people in these countries, I know you might don't like it but I think India's media is the worst of them all, Pakistani media is bad as well and news channels from India is just as bad, I sometime watch it for a laugh haha.
I think they both need to just calm down and work towards peace...which will never happen.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Yeah I agree and because of media Pakistanis and Indians are still fighting, they just do it for ratings and fame and don't care how it effects people in these countries, I know you might don't like it but I think India's media is the worst of them all, Pakistani media is bad as well and news channels from India is just as bad, I sometime watch it for a laugh haha.
I think they both need to just calm down and work towards peace...which will never happen.

I think we will end up fighting trying to prove which is the worse of the two. I don't want to do that. At this juncture, which is what we have, I think India are being much much more civil about the whole situation. We are not responsible for the points table. I can guarantee, we did not lose to England on purpose either.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

If England wins against the Kiwis today Pakistan will be knocked out of the WC. So we might have our top 4 today itself. Pakistan needs luck here.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I know you might don't like it but I think India's media is the worst of them all, Pakistani media is bad as well

India's regional and Hindi news channels are horrible. The worst of the lot. I haven't watched enough Pakistani news channels to comment. And havent watched any Bangladeshi ones ever.

The English channels in India though (barring a particular one) are quite decent and almost civil when compared to anything else. Very rarely wil you find someone making outlandish statements and citing conspiracy theories or inciting hatred for something. The debates can be wild, but there is a limit which is not crossed, which certainly seems to be crossed by the regional channels and the little that I have seen of Pakistani news special programs. No cricket analyst would dare to come on the english channels and say sh*t like India will lose on purpose to kick pakistan out, or insinuate match fixing etc.[DOUBLEPOST=1562143240][/DOUBLEPOST]

If England wins against the Kiwis today Pakistan will be knocked out of the WC. So we might have our top 4 today itself. Pakistan needs luck here.

NZ will lose on purpose to kick Pakistan out .. because, you know .. logic.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

NZ will lose on purpose to kick Pakistan out .. because, you know .. logic

Can be the case

 

[Rehan_24]

If we know that much of the media stuff is just to grab ratings then why we are bothering and quoting them time and again. Both sides of the border should not be influenced with the negativity around of certain media. I talked here in cricketing terms not influenced by the likes of basit ali and what he said I didnt even watch that program. I do read espn cricinfo though and read what Naseer Hussain and Ganguly said during commentary and replied to that indian cricket writer illogical funny points he made in his article.

I would rather have liked to see an article from a neutral journalist rather than any Indian or Pakistani. When you dont have answer your needle sticks to basit ali, media and blah blah. So lets focus on matches and discuss rather than bringing media stuff here.


Also, Some of the indians fans are sounding like if India lost this way why you bother. We are here to discuss all matches mate its not abt Pak qualification was at stake. Otherwise when Pak loses, the Pak fans should say to Indian fans why you bothering so much.

I had the same view here of when Windies lost to Aussies and it was clearly visible that Windies didnt show intent at all in the final overs despite they could and it is still surprizing for me. At that league match no other team was at stake as well.

 

[Master Khan]

If Only Pakistan had good run rate then they would have even better chance of going through,
unless England smash New Zealand and Pakistan Smash Bangladesh then they might go through on run rate.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

If Only Pakistan had good run rate then they would have even better chance of going through,
unless England smash New Zealand and Pakistan Smash Bangladesh then they might go through on run rate.

This is exactly the attitude that's haunting Pakistan and it's cricket since I have started following cricket which was also 1992, the year Pakistan won the WC.

How about for once, instead of scraping through, depending on others and blaming people they actually dominate and be consistent? This whole forum was being critical of me when I said that the CT was a hit and miss. Yes, they deserved it and played a good semi and finals but they almost didn't make it. Were they the best team of that tournament? I don't think so. Will they be the best team if they win from here? Debatable.

In my opinion, the 1999 WC was the best Pakistani side and the most consistent one as well. It was laid on the bedrock and foundation of the great Imran Khan and they really should have won that World Cup. It was just one bad day that took it away from them. I personally think Pakistan are probably in the vicinity of Bangladesh and perhaps the 5th best team. They are just not consistent enough.

 

[abhi_jacko]

unless England smash New Zealand and Pakistan Smash Bangladesh then they might go through on run rate.

The one positive for Pakistan even if England win today could be, they will know the exact margin by which to win to get a better NRR than NZ. As long as it is not ridiculously high, they can choose to bat second and plan their chase accordingly

 

[CerealKiller]

If Only Pakistan had good run rate then they would have even better chance of going through,
unless England smash New Zealand and Pakistan Smash Bangladesh then they might go through on run rate.

That first game against WI is still hurting us.
NRR is very flawed when a team is all out

 

[Master Khan]

I think we will end up fighting trying to prove which is the worse of the two. I don't want to do that. At this juncture, which is what we have, I think India are being much much more civil about the whole situation. We are not responsible for the points table. I can guarantee, we did not lose to England on purpose either. And after the Pulwama incidents that occurred recently, if the BCCI pleased, Pakistan would not have been part of this World Cup.

Well that's your opinion and I respect that.
I am not saying India lost to England on purpose, it's just what media is saying from both countries is stupid and just make claims which they can't prove.

 

[Master Khan]

That first game against WI is still hurting us.
NRR is very flawed when a team is all out

Yeah that Match pretty destroy Pakistan run rate and made this tournament really difficult for them.
If New Zealand lose then they will have chance but if they don't then they better go all out on Bangladesh.

 

[CerealKiller]

I think it's completely ridiculous for Pakistan fans to blame other sides if we don't qualify. The reason we have to rely on other results is because we played badly at the start of the tournament. We should've won against Australia and not lost in that way against the Windies. That's where we should look if we want to find something to blame.

 

[abhi_jacko]

That first game against WI is still hurting us.
NRR is very flawed when a team is all out

I dont see anything wrong with NRR calculation. You need to settle at some metric for calculating NRR and it would be an almost impossible task to take wickets into consideration and would unnecessarily complicate a simple metric.

The team got all-out. So it gets penalized for that. That is quite fair. If they started calculating NRR based on the number of overs played, then teams would purposefully throw their wickets to score a quickfire 100 allout in 10 overs because the NRR would be 6 points higher than what they would achieve with 200/8 in 50 overs. It becomes highly prone to abuse

And regarding Pak-WI, they were absolutely thrashed by WI. Be it in while batting or bowling. So this clause barely matters in that game anyways