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yup. we all saw the scorecard, buddy.[DOUBLEPOST=1422014061][/DOUBLEPOST]
he won't. this is England.
India-England-Australia Tri-series - January 2015
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yup. we all saw the scorecard, buddy.[DOUBLEPOST=1422014061][/DOUBLEPOST]
he won't. this is England.
Well today just proved the depth that Australia have in their squad. When you've got guys outside of their 15 like Marsh and Sandhu doing well, you know you are going to be hard to beat when at full strength. I would have Australia and SA as equal favourites now.
Also, how good is Steve Smith now? First time anyone has scored a hundred in their first test and ODI as skipper.
The death bowling is quality as well. Starc and Faulkner have perfected the Yorker, bouncer, slower ball combination.
As for England, I still think their are a few positives to take from the performance. Ali has proved that he's good enough to bowl his ten overs once again. He also scored some important runs at the top of the order.
Bell has proved what a good player he can be when he plays at the right tempo. I think he and Ali will play well together.
Despite Woakes going for a few more than he would of liked, I think he's improved so much as a cricketer in the last year. He seems to show god character when bowling at the death, which was also seen in a Warwickshire shirt on t20 finals day. Broad is a bit of a worry. I don't think he is fully fit. Getting him right before the WC is crucial if England are to get past the quarters.
Also, how good is Steve Smith now? First time anyone has scored a hundred in their first test and ODI as skipper.
The death bowling is quality as well. Starc and Faulkner have perfected the Yorker, bouncer, slower ball combination.
As for England, I still think their are a few positives to take from the performance. Ali has proved that he's good enough to bowl his ten overs once again. He also scored some important runs at the top of the order.
Bell has proved what a good player he can be when he plays at the right tempo. I think he and Ali will play well together.
Despite Woakes going for a few more than he would of liked, I think he's improved so much as a cricketer in the last year. He seems to show god character when bowling at the death, which was also seen in a Warwickshire shirt on t20 finals day. Broad is a bit of a worry. I don't think he is fully fit. Getting him right before the WC is crucial if England are to get past the quarters.
I think the good thing today is that it showed that the top order got the tempo spot on. We managed to collapse and still post 300, when you consider that 6 months ago, if we'd collapsed in the last 10 overs or so, we'd have been posting 250 and been out of the game.
Again, I have to question Bopara's role in the side. He seems to only be there if there is a batting collapse, because he's not much use coming in for the last few overs (which is fair enough, it's simply not his game). But seeing how well Ali did, you have to ask, if we'd had a specialist spinner instead of Bopara, would we have won the game?
Looks like we're in good form, although the team is probably peaking too early!
Again, I have to question Bopara's role in the side. He seems to only be there if there is a batting collapse, because he's not much use coming in for the last few overs (which is fair enough, it's simply not his game). But seeing how well Ali did, you have to ask, if we'd had a specialist spinner instead of Bopara, would we have won the game?
Looks like we're in good form, although the team is probably peaking too early!
Presumably your side would have a bottom 5 looking like
7. Woakes
8. Broad
9. Tredwell
10. Finn
11. Anderson
You simply can't win a WC with that lower order. Modern day quality teams bat down to 8 with decent hitters at 9 and 10. Broad has totally lost it with the bat, and although I've seen Tredwell nudge it around at Canterbury before, he's not going to help when needing 30 off 3. An extra spinner would be lovely but it doesn't keep the side balanced.
One option would have been Samit Patel. I've always rated his OD bowling and his batting is almost as good as Bopara's.
Was good seeing Marsh hitting it at a decent rate, that's been my main issue with him. Sandhu really has stepped up nicely, he's shown up Cummins in both the games so far.
I'm not saying that if I had the pick of every player in the country, that I'd pick that bottom 5, but from the squad we have, I think it's the best option. The modern day game isn't about keeping it tight any more. You can't bring in your bowlers in the middle overs and look to keep the rate down, because that just means that there are more wickets in hand for the end. You need to take wickets as often as possible. Ali has done very well with the ball, but he should be the 6th option, rather than almost always having to get 10 overs out of him. Sure, in an ideal world, we'd have a genuine all-rounder to bat at 7 or 8, but I think our top 6 is capable. With Root and Taylor in there, we have proper batsmen, who prefer to take their time. That can happen if we're chasing 300, but it can't if we're chasing 350.
I just think the only way to win is to attack. And that bottom 5 is aggressive, for sure. I'm just saying that Bopara is wasted down the order, because he's not doing one job or the other. At least with Tredwell (or Jordan) we'd have a specialist who can take wickets.
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moeen works as a fifth bowler though - he's not world class by any means but is maxwell? His average in ODIs is 40 with a strike rate of 47.9 and an economy of 4.79; which fits the role that the guy plays and you're not going to improve that economy much by playing a "proper" bowler instead. Most sides don't pick five bowlers in ODIs for a reason - you need a bit of depth so if something happens you aren't totally out of the game early.
England shouldn't be so attracted by "we need to bat deep!!!" that they play seven batsmen and also both Stokes and Woakes as they have done in the past. Its a cost-benefit analysis - you have to work out what you may gain by playing Finn over, say, Jordan by the chance of more wickets and thus slowing the other team down than you lose by having Finn bat instead of Jordan. I've warmed up on Woakes myself: I thought that he was terrible this time last year and now its clear that he's not that bad. Stokes should stay out until he gets back in form again, which probably means until after the New Zealand test series.
England shouldn't be so attracted by "we need to bat deep!!!" that they play seven batsmen and also both Stokes and Woakes as they have done in the past. Its a cost-benefit analysis - you have to work out what you may gain by playing Finn over, say, Jordan by the chance of more wickets and thus slowing the other team down than you lose by having Finn bat instead of Jordan. I've warmed up on Woakes myself: I thought that he was terrible this time last year and now its clear that he's not that bad. Stokes should stay out until he gets back in form again, which probably means until after the New Zealand test series.
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Completely different, that would be like saying why can't Pakistan poach Moeen Ali, or India take Ravi Bopara
Still Don't see the point ... Eng did a KP ... SA did a Kepler Wessels ... latest one is Ronchi playing for NZ despite being an Aussie. England infact have been poaching Irish Cricketers for as long as one remembers. Even Adam Hollioke for Eng captain was born an Aussie. Nasser Hussain was born in India.
Its been done forever ... what is wrong with India poaching a seamer or two from abroad?
I totally agree that Ali is better than Maxwell, but then Australia have him as the 6th option, because they normally have Watson who is pretty reliable bowling wise, when he's actually fit enough. That 6th option is great though if one of your main bowlers has a 'mare. I just think with Ali and Bopara, we need one of them to have a good game with the ball, every single game, which isn't always possible. And that's without them needing to fill in for other bowlers. I just think the last game was pretty much what our game plan is for the ODI game. Great platform at the top with the bat, with the lower order to come in and slog. Fair enough, they didn't come off, but it still showed that Bopara didn't have a role in that game. It's just a waste of a player for me, when you could have a more aggressive option there.
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Key point is that the player has to relocate entirely the other country first. KP was actually dropped from his domestic side and was playing club cricket before relocating to England, Ronchi was also struggling to get a game for Western Australia, Kepler was a South African who only played for Australia because of the apartheid sanctions against South Africa, Eoin Morgan had very little chance of playing test cricket as an Irish player, Holliake/Strauss/Nasser were developed in the English cricket system, living there since childhood/teenage years
It's not as simple as a country just offering a player a better contract, the player has to want to relocate their entire life as well. Sandhu is an Australian born player with very promising international prospects, and presumably friends and family in Australia. Just don't see him being willing to move.
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Was referring to Sandhu.
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