India-England-Australia Tri-series - January 2015

[PokerAce]

Key point is that the player has to relocate entirely the other country first. KP was actually dropped from his domestic side and was playing club cricket before relocating to England, Ronchi was also struggling to get a game for Western Australia, Kepler was a South African who only played for Australia because of the apartheid sanctions against South Africa, Eoin Morgan had very little chance of playing test cricket as an Irish player, Holliake/Strauss/Nasser were developed in the English cricket system, living there since childhood/teenage years

It's not as simple as a country just offering a player a better contract, the player has to want to relocate their entire life as well. Sandhu is an Australian born player with very promising international prospects, and presumably friends and family in Australia. Just don't see him being willing to move.

To be fair I am not sure I agree with the relocation part. What is wrong if say Kohli settled down in Aus, but continued to represent India. For instance to use an example from Chess, Vishy Anand lives in Spain, but plays all his matches under the India flag. Or for that matter in Tennis Vijay Amritraj played Davis Cup for India, despite living abroad for a big period, and similarly his son Prakash Amritraj, despite being born in LA, feels Indian enough to wanna play for India.

I think the key point is the player should be eligible to play for India, and should feel Indian at heart. Where he now resides is irrelevant. Its not a question of just paying off players to play for India, but if we find a player eligible to play for India who is willing to play for India, then go for it by all means. Given the number of NRIs that now live in Eng, Aus or even NZ, I am sure we could find one such pacer atleast.

 

[PokerAce]

Was referring to Sandhu.

No obviously now that Sandhu has played for Aus, there is no question of him playing for India (Although that didnt hamper the likes of Wessels and Nannes, who both played for two different nations). I was not saying buy-off Sandhu and have him put on the blue.

The point I was making was not for Sandhu per se. The point was, that if Indian set up has failed to produce fast bowlers for so long, to the point that one comes along every decade, then perhaps we should look at other set ups that do produce fast bowlers, and we could find a guy who is eligible to play for India and who wants to play for India.

 

[IceAgeComing]

Nationality isn't just where you're born or what your parents are, its a complex thing that can change over time. You can be of Indian descent and still consider yourself totally English, Scots, Australian or whatever. Hussain has lived in england full time since he was seven and has an english mother; the latter entitles the guy to play for england anyway and the former means that he probably feels pretty english anyway. Wessels is a special case with the end of apartheid that is likely to never be repeated. The Tennis thing is worth thinking about: although it wouldn't surprise me if a player who highest ranking was barely under 200 probably picked India over the USA because he was much more likely to get picked for India...

You're also assuming that a Sandhu would want to play for India - the guy was born in Australia, played all of his cricket in Australia and was picked for the Australian Under 19s as well as the national side before he was 21. I'd imagine that if the guy wanted to play for India over Australia he'd have let it be known in advance of the latter selection at least, especially since he'd be much more likely of a firm future playing for India as a quick than for Australia. The Moeen Ali comparison that someone else raised is 100% valid here: they are very similar in that respect.

Cricket's nationality rules are among the most restrictive in world sports; the reason that people make a load of noise about it is partially because of the way that the ICC cut off players from non-traditional cricket playing nations from the most important parts of world cricket (test cricket and the World Cup) and the last part is because South Africa are annoyed that they lost out on a world class batsman, even though the guy was a bowler when he first arrived in England...

 

[greymatter776]

Ian Chappell: Open with Rohit and Binny, with Kohli at No. 3 | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

As Shikhar Dhawan continues to struggle under Australian conditions, perhaps the time is right to open the batting with Binny. He looks technically capable and this would give Dhoni another bowling option, which appears to be a priority.

??? Binny to open? We know what happened when we tried Irfan to open with Gambhir in the 2012WC keeping Sehwag out

 

[SaiSrini]

Chappell is funny! When we have Rahane to open in the side, we don't need Binny in anyway to open the innings. Binny scored in the last game when England loosened the choke drastically. Binny is not even sure of a place in the XI in the WC side.

I would bring back Axar Patel (since its an SCG game) and play him alongside Ashwin as the two spinners. Would give Jadeja another rest game. Jadeja can play against England in our last league game. Ishant Sharma should be tried now in place of Yadav. Ishant, Bhuvi and Shami to be the fast bowlers. I believe this could possibly be our main line of pace attack for most games in the WC. So better try it out now

India XI (for SCG vs Australia): Rahane, Dhawan, Kohli, Rayudu, Dhoni, Raina, Axar, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Ishant

We need to push Raina below Dhoni so that Dhoni has the license to attack knowing that there is two more hitters coming after him. Dhoni won the 2011 WC final from No.4

 

[_Sam_]

No obviously now that Sandhu has played for Aus, there is no question of him playing for India (Although that didnt hamper the likes of Wessels and Nannes, who both played for two different nations). I was not saying buy-off Sandhu and have him put on the blue.

The point I was making was not for Sandhu per se. The point was, that if Indian set up has failed to produce fast bowlers for so long, to the point that one comes along every decade, then perhaps we should look at other set ups that do produce fast bowlers, and we could find a guy who is eligible to play for India and who wants to play for India.

Thinking about it anyway there's not really any bowlers of Indian birth or even vague origin at the moment that are doing average in international cricket or even domestic cricket to be honest.

 

[Satan666]

India bought over a player from the WI in the past. present Mumbahai Indians coach:


Robin Singh | India Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[PokerAce]

Thinking about it anyway there's not really any bowlers of Indian birth or even vague origin at the moment that are doing average in international cricket or even domestic cricket to be honest.

Yeah and that only makes the whole thing even odder !

 

[PokerAce]

Chappell is funny! When we have Rahane to open in the side, we don't need Binny in anyway to open the innings. Binny scored in the last game when England loosened the choke drastically. Binny is not even sure of a place in the XI in the WC side.

I would bring back Axar Patel (since its an SCG game) and play him alongside Ashwin as the two spinners. Would give Jadeja another rest game. Jadeja can play against England in our last league game. Ishant Sharma should be tried now in place of Yadav. Ishant, Bhuvi and Shami to be the fast bowlers. I believe this could possibly be our main line of pace attack for most games in the WC. So better try it out now

India XI (for SCG vs Australia): Rahane, Dhawan, Kohli, Rayudu, Dhoni, Raina, Axar, Ashwin, Bhuvi, Shami, Ishant

We need to push Raina below Dhoni so that Dhoni has the license to attack knowing that there is two more hitters coming after him. Dhoni won the 2011 WC final from No.4

I do not think there is any question of MSD really coming up at 4. I think the side atleast in regard to composition will be the same as you have described. Ofcourse the personnell could change and Perhaps Shami will get another game instead of Ishant, or perhaps Jadeja will come in for Axar.

Binny I feel is sure to get another game, as he scored with the bat and looked (oddly enough) the best of the bowlers.

 

[Aalay]

Ian Chappell: Open with Rohit and Binny, with Kohli at No. 3 | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo




??? Binny to open? We know what happened when we tried Irfan to open with Gambhir in the 2012WC keeping Sehwag out

The thing is, I don't mind the idea. Looking at how Dhawan has performed so far, it gives me no confidence to start the tournament with him. The way Binny batted in the game vs England when we were 5 down, it was very good to watch. Of course Binny has to cement his spot in the final 11 first. As mentioned in the article, this will also give Dhoni another bowling option which we will clearly need looking at our bowling.

Dhoni did mention during WI home series that he would like his most experienced batsmen to bat at 4,5, and 6. That is the reason they have brought Virat Kohli at number 4. Just because he has failed in the 2 games does not mean he won't perform at that position. He is a quality player and will perform at any given position but my only concern is, he won't get as many deliveries to face as he does at number 3. In my opinion, out best batsman should bat the most number of overs and that is the reason I want him to bat at 3.

 

[SaiSrini]

Wish India gets a game here. A no-result can help with respect to the tri-series standings (a NR will make the India vs England game a knockout; whereas if India lose here to Australia, they have to beat England and beat them by a pretty big margin), but the point of this tri-series for India is to fine tune their WC preparations. Might as well have the game.

A shortened game not leading to a result would also be good.

 

[lion100lion]

RAIN RAIN GO AWAY, COME ON SOME OTHER DAY

 

[aditya123]

I hope Dhoni has no plans of playing today`s side as the WC XI. The bowling looks horribly lopsided. Ashwin has to get a look in. Jadeja and Axar in the same side is`nt going to give anyone sleepless nights. Yadav has to play regardless because he looked pretty good during that first ODI at the MCG. Binny is`nt going to trouble anyone with his bowling. The sooner that gets shelved the better.

 

[Epic]

We need Vijay and I like Kohli at #4, the reason he was moved down there in the 1st place was because he was dancing around to the swinging ball and Dhoni has made it clear if the 1st wicket goes down around the 12th or 13th over Kohli will come in at #3, what we need is an opening pair that can last that long.

 

[PokerAce]

Nationality isn't just where you're born or what your parents are, its a complex thing that can change over time. You can be of Indian descent and still consider yourself totally English, Scots, Australian or whatever. Hussain has lived in england full time since he was seven and has an english mother; the latter entitles the guy to play for england anyway and the former means that he probably feels pretty english anyway. Wessels is a special case with the end of apartheid that is likely to never be repeated. The Tennis thing is worth thinking about: although it wouldn't surprise me if a player who highest ranking was barely under 200 probably picked India over the USA because he was much more likely to get picked for India...

You're also assuming that a Sandhu would want to play for India - the guy was born in Australia, played all of his cricket in Australia and was picked for the Australian Under 19s as well as the national side before he was 21. I'd imagine that if the guy wanted to play for India over Australia he'd have let it be known in advance of the latter selection at least, especially since he'd be much more likely of a firm future playing for India as a quick than for Australia. The Moeen Ali comparison that someone else raised is 100% valid here: they are very similar in that respect.

Cricket's nationality rules are among the most restrictive in world sports; the reason that people make a load of noise about it is partially because of the way that the ICC cut off players from non-traditional cricket playing nations from the most important parts of world cricket (test cricket and the World Cup) and the last part is because South Africa are annoyed that they lost out on a world class batsman, even though the guy was a bowler when he first arrived in England...

Yeah I explained how ppl can reside outside a nation but still want to play for that nation. Like Anand does in Chess and Amritraj did in tennis.

Also I am not assuming anything about Sandhu and nor am I saying get Sandhu per se. What I am saying is that if there is a pacer in a setup outside India, who wants to play for India, and feels India, then get him. I am not saying buy off random foreigners and have them play for India.