India in Pakistan

[sohum]

This isnt the first time that India have blown away the advantage after a good start. India's bowling is at fault here.

durrani1 suggested that based on the third test, India would have lost the first and second by gaping margins, too. I tend to disagree because I feel every test match is different. I could well take the same snobbish route that durrani1 took and say the following:

1. First test match. India take control after winning the toss and putting Pakistan in to bat. Pakistan off to a dreadful start--5 wickets down for under 50. India clean them up at lunch for 150 (this could well be the only time the Indians managed to seize the advantage). India then go onto win the test match.

2. India's confidence carries them through the second test match without fault.

3. Pakistan's confidence is down in the third and they lose.

Sounds impossible, doesn't it? Guess what--we will never realize what would have happened if the pitch in the first match was a bowler-friendly pitch. Never. There is no point using things that have already happened to try and speculate on things that had their chance to happen, but didn't. There is a fault in logical flow there.

 

[SaiSrini]

We have youngster like Sreesanth, Raina and Ghambhir can be prove useful. BTW what is the average speed that Shreesanth has?

I think he bowls in the last 130's.. not sure though!

Sreesanth constantly bowls around 140 in opening spells.

I just hope Indian bowling be much better this time and all those youngsters like Sreesanth and RP should get chance to play. I don't want Khan or Agarkar. They both suck! Asif is way better than both of them. And, Asif bowled really well today. I'm looking forward to see how he bowls in ODI if he's selected which he should be after these performances.

I prefer Agarkar over RP! We need to have evrey bit of batting arsenal in our team because we are going to witness 300+ scores and if Pakistan rack up a 300+ score, we need to chase it down! Agarkar can bat and he has proved it against Sri Lanka on familiar sub continent conditions! Also against Sri Lanka in the ODI's, he bowled a terrific line and length and got Man of the match award once too! Irfan, Agarkar and Sreesanth would form my bowling attack for the ODI's

This is my lineup for the first ODI:
Gautam Gambhir
Sachin Tendulkar
Virender Sehwag
*Rahul Dravid
Yuvraj Singh
Mohammad Kaif
+MS Dhoni
Irfan Pathan
Ajit Agarkar
Harbhajan Singh
Sreesanth
super sub- Suresh Raina
We don't want Murli. He sucks! Sehwag, Sachin, Yuvi and Raina can bowl few overs, so why would be need him?

What? You have to use the Super Sub in the best way possible! You already have Dhoni, Pathan and Agarkar who can bat well. Why do you need Suresh Raina as the Super Sub? You need to have 5 specialist bowlers with one specialist bowler or batsmen as the Super Sub depending on the conditions! So either Gambhir or Murali Kartik should be the Super Sub!

Bowling Coach Kya Gadhon ko Race Ke Ghode Banayega?

Is the Bowling coach going to make Donkeys into RaceHorses?

No! but he can look to correct some basic flaws that a bowler makes! he is not gonna make them into race horses but he can help them improve their consistency and give them vital tips that a batsman coach will not give!

Now I started hating him even though I'm his big fan cause I'm from Mumbai as he is also from Mumbai. He use to be my huge fan before but he doesn't perform wonder what happen to him.

Still he is a genius player and I wont lose faith on him just because of a few failures this series! I am sure Tendiya would fire back in the ODI's!

 

[m_vaughan]

The pressure is surely on Tendulkar, and that can really fire him up. Expect a big knock soon.

 

[SaiSrini]

What a load of rubbish from a bunch of immature Indian fans. Do we give up on our team so quickly? Players who we were lauding yesterday, we now hate? "I hate Sachin, I hate Dhoni, I hate Ganguly, I hate Zaheer." It's pretty depressing reading your posts. I hope there are people out there who still have faith in this team. This is one problem I have with PC--there are such a bunch of immature posters who feel it is their need to post, even if it is something like, "Lol" or "I agree". Bah.

Sehwag can play the new ball. Unfortunately, Sehwag needs luck. That is Sehwag. Once he starts hitting it, he can swing the game. If he's not hitting it, he looks quite ugly. That is a gamble that the Indians must decide to take--whether they want a possible magnificent match-winning innings or a sad failure, or a guy who will perform just around average every time.

What else... let's see what 'pace' Shreesanth has to offer. I, for one, find it unbelievable that someone like Razzaq (who balls off quite a short run-up) can get up to 85 mph whereas Pathan who takes a long, fast run-up can only manage the 70s. Our pace bowlers lacked concentration, which led to a drop in confidence, which only continued to drop itself.

Sachin--this series may be a decider (subtly, perhaps) as to whether he lasts till the World Cup or not. And he certainly has the ability to swing the World Cup India's way. Just watch the matches of the 2003 edition again and you'll know what I mean.

Sachin reserves his best for the World Cup! He can swing matches India's way definitely!

Sreesanth can definitely move the ball well and lets see what pace he musters! He has been rated highly on his domestic performances and in the ODI's against Sri Lanka, he was promising though he was carted for runs!

I never knew Tendulkar was a fan of yours . You must be a superstar then
Leave the great man alone. It is not for nothing that he is considered on of the best batsmen of alltime.
Also, it is not that he is 36 and cannot get his form back.

He has just failed for a couple of series (that too with a hundred under his belt in the last series) and not for a couple of years !

Would Ricky Ponting be dropped if he fails for a couple of series ? Would Brian Lara be dropped even if he fails for a season ?
The answer is no.
Whatever justification you might give, it is not often that you get good enough replacements for these players .
I would like to bring another thing to your notice , `Ponting has been dreadful in ODIs for the past year` . Has he been dropped.

INDIA have just lost one test match .
Why are people fuming as if we`ve lost 10 games in a row.
we`ve won 8 out of our 11 ODI matches against good sides on pitches similar to the ones we will get in Pakistan.

Our ODI side has changed a lot since we lost the last ODI series against Pakistan at home.
We are amazingly flexible with our batting lineup.
In Pathan and Dhoni we have big hitters who can bat anywhere in the order.
Sehwag and Tendulkar are always a threat .
Dravid has been playing the role of the finisher very well.
Raina,Kaif and Yuvraj are superb fielders and a great asset to the ODI side.

They should play the same side that played against SA with a change that we must play only one spinner.
Also, remeber that depending on whether we bat first or second, our XI will change
My XI

Batting order subject to change
Sehwag
Tendulkar
Yuvraj
Dravid
Kaif
Raina
Dhoni
Pathan
Agarkar
Harbhajan
R.P.Singh

Supersub: Sresaanth/Zaheer

That looks an even better team according to me! Suresh Raina is even good form after scoring runs in the recent Ranji trophy final! Kaif too is in good form! So Raina should play in place of Gambhir who lacks match practice (I put gambhir in my team but forgot abt Raina)!

I've noticed you seem to hate India, how come?

Well, I dont think he hates India! He has his OWN opinion, thats all! I regard his posts to be of high quality! He makes some really valid points!

Why do Pakistan keep sticking with Arshad Khan?

Isnt Arshad Khan being called to get back working for his bank? How come he is selected?

 

[Indiangod]

I dont think Tendulkars career is over, he just got a bit unlucky in the last test and before he got out Sachin was playing good. I expect a big knock from Sachin soon and Sachin will defo be back in the big time again. Sachin will be fired up when the world cup comes around and boy will it be a treat to watch, he will be back. One of his goals is to win the world cup for India and in his last world cup he will give it evreything.

Pakistan only won us 1-0 in the test series and nearly the whole of India treats the Indian team as of they lost to Pakistan 10 games in a row, pathfetic stuff from them and whats more they even say that Sachin should retire and Sehwag, Laxman and co should be out of the team, pathfetic stuff from some of the Indian fans,we cant win evrey game.

 

[usy]

Pakistan only won us 1-0 in the test series and nearly the whole of India treats the Indian team as of they lost to Pakistan 10 games in a row, pathfetic stuff from them and whats more they even say that Sachin should retire and Sehwag, Laxman and co should be out of the team, pathfetic stuff from some of the Indian fans,we cant win evrey game.

Atleast we beat you, for a start....

 

[vibs89]

BTW, i really agree with you. I would rather get Rana Naved in 11 squad instead of Arshad,

some one comparing Imran Khan and Wasim Akram with Irfan Pathan, mind you but , he can never be better then these two,

We will see that in the future ok????

What other news do you have of the future? Can pigs fly? Has the spirit to immortality been discovered?

Lol true I agree with you.

 

[SaiSrini]

Atleast we beat you, for a start....

It was not pathetic!

And such comments are reserved to encourage the Indian fans and not make them lose hope! Those are not meant to downplay Pak's victory!

 

[Pak_cricketer]

Well I dont agree with the Pakistan Line-up that was posted just the previous page.

It Should be:

Salman Butt
Imran Farhat
Younis Khan
Mohammed Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Shoaib Malik
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Kamran Akmal
Shoaib Akthar
Rana Naved-ul-Hasan

SuperSub:: Mohammed Asif

 

[Hariz]

Its a nice lineup Pak_cricketer, but I would say that Asif starts in the playing XI, and any all-rounder like Malik could be the super-sub. If they open with Akmal, they could even let Malik play in Farhat's place.

 

[shah_Ji]

Advice to India ....Old is gold but not in case of Indian cricket so get rid of Sachin Ganguly and get some fresh blood your team will improve they are dragging you guys way down....


And as a Pakistani fan I am really disappointed in them for winning by 341 and not 344 that would be the worst defeat of India but I guess I can live with that eh

 

[usy]

another Canadian Pakistani,welcome to planetcricket , so what you up to?

 

[Pak_cricketer]

Yes you can tell, beacuse "eh" is Canadian. Which Province do you live in?

 

[prarara]

What a load of rubbish from a bunch of immature Indian fans. Do we give up on our team so quickly? Players who we were lauding yesterday, we now hate? "I hate Sachin, I hate Dhoni, I hate Ganguly, I hate Zaheer." It's pretty depressing reading your posts. I hope there are people out there who still have faith in this team. This is one problem I have with PC--there are such a bunch of immature posters who feel it is their need to post, even if it is something like, "Lol" or "I agree". Bah.

Sehwag can play the new ball. Unfortunately, Sehwag needs luck. That is Sehwag. Once he starts hitting it, he can swing the game. If he's not hitting it, he looks quite ugly. That is a gamble that the Indians must decide to take--whether they want a possible magnificent match-winning innings or a sad failure, or a guy who will perform just around average every time.

What else... let's see what 'pace' Shreesanth has to offer. I, for one, find it unbelievable that someone like Razzaq (who balls off quite a short run-up) can get up to 85 mph whereas Pathan who takes a long, fast run-up can only manage the 70s. Our pace bowlers lacked concentration, which led to a drop in confidence, which only continued to drop itself.

Sachin--this series may be a decider (subtly, perhaps) as to whether he lasts till the World Cup or not. And he certainly has the ability to swing the World Cup India's way. Just watch the matches of the 2003 edition again and you'll know what I mean.

...well I agree. . But, I'm never giving up on India; we were unlucky, we could've been in a superb position but wasted the chance. Yet, it takes a good team to put itslef in a match-winning position just like it takes a good team to pull a victory out of the jaws of defeat.

 

[shah_Ji]

Wow this thread consist 180+ pages and not much fight as I have seen in some other forums I guess all you ppl are cool headed that is nice .....Im from Hamilton ontario and you USY?