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The only way Ind Can Win Matches against Pakistan is by pace.India Fastest Bowlers Bowl like Spin bowlers Hence India can't Win any matches ...Now someone is going to say but they have a good batting lineup well Pakistan is more of a complete Team They have everything Stable Batsmen, Flexible Allrounders, Fast Pace bowlers And also Pak might not have Big Names like Tendulkar,Shewag ,Dravid,Kumble but all of their players are in form unlike India.
PS This Thread Has Some 3100 odd posts is his a record on this forum
 
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ZexyZahid said:
Obviously it was a joke. ;)

what makes it one....

Don't worry have faith in India. Don't just think negative think positive. Pathan or other seamers will do something don't just ever give up or think negative. So what One of the seamers will bounce back you never know. Well I want Pathan to just pick up wickets only. We have lot of batsmen SO DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT. Always have faith in India. They will try their best to do something impossible to possible. All the best India looking forward to the match. Those who saying that Pakistan will beat 5-0 let them talk ot whatever they want to talk. Just ignore it bro.

Sensible post...such posts have been quite rare in this thread. Don't read too much into few matches, the team will do what it has to.

Hassan dude, you're right on the money there...India can only win by 1) pace/seam movement (both together) 2) with a genuine spinner capable of handling pressure.
You cannot expect the batsmen to score big always. Always remember the opposition. You also need bowlers to win matches.
Yes! Pakistan is a much balanced team...it may not have the best players (excluding Inzi/Yousuf) but all the players contribute, are in fine form and they gel very well as a unit. It makes a huge difference...like it did in the test match and the first ODI.
 
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cheaterr said:
Don't worry have faith in India. Don't just think negative think positive. Pathan or other seamers will do something don't just ever give up or think negative. So what One of the seamers will bounce back you never know. Well I want Pathan to just pick up wickets only. We have lot of batsmen SO DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IT. Always have faith in India. They will try their best to do something impossible to possible. All the best India looking forward to the match. Those who saying that Pakistan will beat 5-0 let them talk ot whatever they want to talk. Just ignore it bro.

Man...Indian Bowling sucks...man but i like the batting...pathan has only 1 technique...just throw the ball to the off side..thats it...but Pakistan can't beat us 5-0...i think it will be like 3-2...India wins...Nothing is Impossible...India will come back and i hope indian seamers bowl well...
 
hassan17 said:
The only way Ind Can Win Matches against Pakistan is by pace.India Fastest Bowlers Bowl like Spin bowlers Hence India can't Win any matches ...Now someone is going to say but they have a good batting lineup well Pakistan is more of a complete Team They have everything Stable Batsmen, Flexible Allrounders, Fast Pace bowlers And also Pak might not have Big Names like Tendulkar,Shewag ,Dravid,Kumble but all of their players are in form unlike India.
PS This Thread Has Some 3100 odd posts is his a record on this forum
I agree with you though we need genuine bowlers very fast who are capable of bowling over 140 and keeping in good line and lenght.
 
cheaterr said:
I agree with you though we need genuine bowlers very fast who are capable of bowling over 140 and keeping in good line and lenght.

Like VRV Singh..he has the average of 143-145...fastest indian bowler...
 
hassan17 said:
The only way Ind Can Win Matches against Pakistan is by pace.India Fastest Bowlers Bowl like Spin bowlers Hence India can't Win any matches ...Now someone is going to say but they have a good batting lineup well Pakistan is more of a complete Team They have everything Stable Batsmen, Flexible Allrounders, Fast Pace bowlers And also Pak might not have Big Names like Tendulkar,Shewag ,Dravid,Kumble but all of their players are in form unlike India.

But still there is something called "Law of averages". That can catch up soon with Pakistan too!

Anyways, India have won many ODI's in the past with their batting alone! And if a small help from the bowlers, I dont see why they cant challenge Pakistan here!

hassan17 said:
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Is that really important?

sohummisra said:
I don't think we should write off India just yet, although they do look hopeless with the ball. I guess its just up to the batsmen to score a crazy amount of runs, because the Pakistanis bowlers (bar Asif and a few great spells from Shoaib) haven't looked all that good either. ODI matches can swing either way. I rate Pakistan higher than India in ODI's (I in fact rate most countries higher than India in ODI's) but India have showed resilience as an ODI team of late. I think they'll win at least one game, maybe 2, and if it goes 2-2 into the final game, we have a chance to steal the series..

I dont quite like the sound of this, but to an extent, true!

hassan17 said:
No Need Debating for the next match(Or the Series).Chances are Pakistan will clear up India 5-0.

Well, your other post in this page was sensible, so I would forgive u on this! :D
 
yoo guys why cant india put vrv singh he is a fast bowler a heard him about alot.
 
s2sschan said:
Pakistan has proved to be the better team than India on this tour. India arrived in Pakistan without the ammunition to get Pakistan's batsmen out, who look invincible. I think the tour's over for India.
Too early in an ODI series between 2 closely matched teams to say that India is already out of it.

When I first read Ramesh Powar being included in place of Bhajji, a thought came into my mind.
Could he be the lucky mascot?
When we won the series in 2004, Bhajji was injured and Powar playd instead of him !


When we talk of the Indian bowling being poor, do not forget that Pkistan conceded 328 runs themselves and could have gone for plenty more if not for the last 5 wickets collapsing. So, they have not been great either.

Also in ODIs, batsmen win a side more games than bowlers .
All we need is Pathan to strike form with the ball and he looked decent in th first game without going for too many with the ball.
Zaheer is a fighter and will strive hard.
Agarkar, I thought was good in his second spell and almost won us the game.
If you look at the first match,other than the Malik-Butt partnership, all other batsmen were restricted to some extent by the Indians .
They came back well with the ball in the last 20 overs.

It is all about good field placings by thecaptain to earn you wickets in ODIs. More often than not, it is the bad shots that earn bowlrs wickets than magic balls in ODIs.

Tendulkar made his critics eat their words yet gain and he`ll get better now in this series,at least one would expect him too !
If Powar plays the next match, expect a surprise from Greg Chappel and Dravid by sending him at No.3 !

Sehwag will also find a good knock sooner or later .

I would rather have Kaif as my supersub instead of Raina.
Kaif seems to slow down the innings in the slog overs and he is better suited to the No.3 position.
He is a more orthodox batsman and does not find it comfortable taking the aerial route often enough.
Raina, if a naturally aggressive batsmen and is in the Yuvraj mould an he shoul be in the playing XI to hlp us in the slog overs.

Sachin should never be subbed out whil bowling . He is a vry useful ODI bowler and has the ability to change a game on his head even with the ball.
If Iam not wrong, Sachin had a 5 wicket haul against Pakistan in 2005 ODI series .
I would rather substitute Sehwag than Sachin because Sachin is also a better fielder than Veeru (remember the catch Sachin took of Inzy in the Lahore ODI 2004). Also , his mere presence on the field is encouraging for the rest of the team.
We should try Yuvi,Sachin and others with the ball to because they take the pace off the ball and are difficult to hit arund in ODI cricket.

saisrini80 said:
But still there is something called "Law of averages". That can catch up soon with Pakistan too!

Anyways, India have won many ODI's in the past with their batting alone! And if a small help from the bowlers, I dont see why they cant challenge Pakistan here!
We already have challenge them in the 1st ODI and nearly beat them.

As I said above , Pakistani bowling looked as hopeless as the Indian attack in the first match barring Asif.
Asif is still a newcomer and I expect one of the Indian btters to trget him in the next match an Asif is due for a bad game too.
Sehwag could be the one who could spoil it for Asif in the next match.
 
I havent seen sachin and sehwag putting on a good partnership for a long time. I think we should drop sehwag down the order and let dhoni open with sachin. And Ramesh Powar is nothing to get excited over, besides the fact that he is a hard hitter. As soon as bhajji gets well, poor guy will be thrown out of the squad again.
 
Some guys are saying that the tour is already over. :confused: Supporting your team now is needed.

India came very close actually in the first ODI. But I hope Pakistan have some practice in the fielding. If everything went well with the fielding India couldn't have scored so much runs and that would release the pressure on Pakistan a bit.

And check out the difference when Dravid captains India. I didn't like when he was handed captaincy in the first place and these justify it a bit.

Didn't know about the fact of Imran Khan. Really good captain. Also Muhammad Haneef and Inzamam-ul-Haq are in the Test list and Inzamam-ul-Haq is third in the ODI list. :)

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/236058.html
 
Its too early to say if pressure affects his batting...but it just might, in the future. Its hard to cope with enormous pressure and Ganguly's dip in form can be justified, to some extent.
India need to be much smarter with the supersub rule. If they will have kaif in the team, send him at no.3 or no.4. If not..he is just being wasted.
I would rather have Dhoni/Sachin open with Kaif one down and then Sehwag, it will provide fire in the middle order and some solid strength in the top order.
 
I don't think that will be happen. It will be Sehwag opening with some other partner. In ODI's it's normally with Tendulkar, but it would be better if India plays with a special opener in Jaffer or Gambhir. I haven't seen Jaffer play, so I hope he gets a chance.
 
jan said:
sorry wrong thread

what??

ZexyZahid said:
I don't think that will be happen. It will be Sehwag opening with some other partner. In ODI's it's normally with Tendulkar, but it would be better if India plays with a special opener in Jaffer or Gambhir. I haven't seen Jaffer play, so I hope he gets a chance.

NO way! ODI's are about fielding and if a specialist opener has to play, it has to be at the cost of Suresh Raina who was the Super Sub in the first game! The batting order is fixed...

I would also have Kaif as my Super Sub and use Suresh Raina in the XI. His batting is naturally aggressive and he can do the big hitting well! Thats a good idea that I didnt think of! Great one!

ZexyZahid said:
Some guys are saying that the tour is already over. :confused: Supporting your team now is needed.

India came very close actually in the first ODI. But I hope Pakistan have some practice in the fielding. If everything went well with the fielding India couldn't have scored so much runs and that would release the pressure on Pakistan a bit.

And check out the difference when Dravid captains India. I didn't like when he was handed captaincy in the first place and these justify it a bit.

Didn't know about the fact of Imran Khan. Really good captain. Also Muhammad Haneef and Inzamam-ul-Haq are in the Test list and Inzamam-ul-Haq is third in the ODI list. :)

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/236058.html

I think through those two hundreds, Dravid improved it for the tests!

Any idea how he has fared as captain in the ODI's (feeling lazy to go to Cricinfo!). I think he is average as ODI captain too! But I dont care abt that! All I care is India should win and that too consistently! Which they have been doing so far. They have won 8 games out of 12 played games (1 game rained off!)
 
If Kaif is used as the sub, they will need to bring him in for fielding (if they're batting first). However, there is no one who really satisfies the condition of being a lethargic fielder and not being able to bowl--except Dravid (who we obviously cannot replace). However, I think they'll hang on to Kaif for the next match and send him in early to prove himself. They might chop him for the 3rd, else.
 
12 games is not consistent to among the top teams. more than winning, the team should have positive attitude and application. From what i see..Pak. and Australia have that. India need to be more consistent. YOu need to have more options. FOr now, we have to fiddle with few players doing more roles.
Rather we want MORE players who can give more options to the team. The captain/coach should use the skill of the player to the maximum extent. RIght now..that is not happening with all players.
 
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