India Team Discussion

[Bevab]

If there's one thing I miss the most about the Kohli-Shastri duo it was the belief that we could always make a comeback. Yes, there were collapses, yes there were those off days when bowling but somehow we fought tooth to nail and wrested the initiative from the opposition on most occasions.

That sadly has been missing post the Shastri era. Wonder if his pep talks were on another level as Dravid doesn't seem to have that influence and effect on the players.

It’s why I wasn’t in favour of Kohli losing the test captaincy in particular without Rahane being the replacement. Despite his selection blunders and his tactical errors at times, the man brought an intensity and will to win that spurred the side on and made the team more watchable. Other than the New Zealand tour where we just failed to turn up, every overseas tour under Kohli had at least one rousing victory.

Yep, it was Shami and Bumrah who put on 80 or 90 when it looked like England would need less than 200 to win. Then India had two sessions to bowl them out with England needing 270ish. India were all over them in the field and England just crumbled.

Seem to remember seeing a video of Shastri at The Gabba after the match in the dressing room. He just has that kind of personality, that actually seems at odds with a lot of Indian cricketers, quite arrogant but also full of self belief.

Technical coaching and tactics are one thing but making players believe they can win is as important as anything. It's the biggest change that's happened with England too. Players are largely the same they are just full of belief in their skill and what they can achieve.

Think I've said before but India in the Kohli/Shastri years looked like a team that were determined to win, whereas a lot of times in the past they looked like a side that was almost too 'polite' to get in the faces of the opposition and just happy to be taking part.

Shastri is also the antithesis of most Indian cricketers in general. He was a well known flamboyant rebel in his playing days which was at odds with his playing style later on, if anything he’s significantly mellowed down to be a BCCI yes man since retirement which I’ve found to be a bit of a shame. Of the current crop, Hardik Pandya seems to be the closest to him and I don’t think he’s got the same self belief or team ethic in him especially since his injury.

That last paragraph is what hurts the most. It’s been the story of Indian cricket for a long time to just be passive and content in test cricket and drum up controversy only when the need arises or when it was too convenient to not do so. Going back to that could probably accelerate the process of the IPL becoming the major thing for even serious cricket fans in India.

 

[Aislabie]

What's your beef with Fionn Hand

He's not a very good player, in a role where Ireland do actually have good players.

In all other roles, either the good players tend to get picked, or we just don't have good players at all.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Sums up the current state of Indian cricket.

People are losing interest in the country.

 

[CooldiPargi]

Sums up the current state of Indian cricket.

People are losing interest in the country.

The exact reason why they changed the Ind Vs Pak Match date. Gujarati's would easily choose Garba Night (Cheap and More Fun) over the Match, in a Jam Packed Stadium.

 

[asprin]

Free streaming of the Asia Cup 2023 and WC 2023 on the Hostar app. Looks like completion is forcing platforms to do things they ideally would never have agreed to #winForCricketFans

 

[icyman]

Free streaming of the Asia Cup 2023 and WC 2023 on the Hostar app. Looks like completion is forcing platforms to do things they ideally would never have agreed to #winForCricketFans

Very interesting! Disney+Star is in a big mess. From what I've read, their bosses in the States arent too happy with the amounts being paid for cricket right in India. This is perhaps one of the reasons why they sub-let their ICC rights to ZEE in the upcoming cycle. Furthermore, come Aug 31st, one would be keen on seeing how much does the existing Disney+ combine bid for.

 

[SaiSrini]

The exact reason why they changed the Ind Vs Pak Match date. Gujarati's would easily choose Garba Night (Cheap and More Fun) over the Match, in a Jam Packed Stadium.

Are you serious? I know I have lost my apetite for international cricket, but I am supremely confident that an "India vs Pakistan ODI World Cup" match that is happening in Ahmedabad at the world's largest cricket stadium is INFINITELY a bigger draw than Garbas or other festivals that we Indians celebrate!

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Are you serious? I know I have lost my apetite for international cricket, but I am supremely confident that an "India vs Pakistan ODI World Cup" match that is happening in Ahmedabad at the world's largest cricket stadium is INFINITELY a bigger draw than Garbas or other festivals that we Indians celebrate!

Nah, Gujjus will definitely prefer Garba. Its also cheaper.

 

[CooldiPargi]

Are you serious?

Might sound weird, but it is. I myself gonna drop the match(in stadium) for the Garba.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

 

[icyman]

Interesting take here from Gautam Gambhir- I agree with him not cause of my dislike of KLR, but cause of the fact that Gambhir makes sense here. Even in the previous WT20 editions, we missed a trick by not including the then in form players and instead went along with tried and tested names. That said, I have no doubt that KLR will be in the squad as the 1st choice keeper(which in itself is concerning factor) when he hasn't had any match practice. God forbid if India were to lose tomorrow, we will go into the World Cup without much match practice.

'Name more important or form?': When Gautam Gambhir and Mohammad Kaif debate turned awkward | Cricket News - Times of India

Cricket News: An intense Gautam Gambhir and Mohammad Kaif on-air debate turned into an awkward one after the former India opener batted for Ishan Kishan's inclusion

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[icyman]

India's World Cup squad: Rohit Sharma (capt), Shubman Gill, Virat Kohli, Shreyas Iyer, KL Rahul (wk), Ishan Kishan (wk), Suryakumar Yadav, Hardik Pandya (vice-capt), Ravindra Jadeja, Kuldeep Yadav, Axar Patel, Mohammed Siraj, Mohammed Shami, Shardul Thakur, Jasprit Bumrah

Red Flags:
Hardik as vice-captain
3 left hand spinners- are we seriously going in without Ashwin /Bishnoi? It is a very one dimensional attack
No Arshdeep

 

[pillowprocter]

Hardik as vice-captain

3 left hand spinners- are we seriously going in without Ashwin /Bishnoi? It is a very one dimensional attack

Kuldeep is a wrist spinner and turns it the other way. Ashwin in there would've only made it more on dimensional, with 3 finger spinners. As for Bishnoi, you're not gonna catapult him into the WC without a single ODI to his name.

No Arshdeep

0 wickets in 13 overs ODI career, eco 6.75

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It is actually hilarious how icyman's opinions make me want to defend the BCCI of all people

 

[icyman]

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Hasn't been always. Doesn't have a strong captaincy credential to be honest. A vice-captain should be someone with a steady head. Hardik is bound to show up in Rohit's absence and say something stupid.

Kuldeep is a wrist spinner and turns it the other way. Ashwin in there would've only made it more on dimensional, with 3 finger spinners. As for Bishnoi, you're not gonna catapult him into the WC without a single ODI to his name.

Oh, does he? Ever damn delivery?

Ashwin would have added some much needed batting depth to the side alongside his variations as well. At present,Patel , Jadeja and Kuldeep are all left handers and picking them will be very easy for the opposition.

As for Bishnoi- he has played for the country previously. There have been many instances of people making their debut in the World Cup. A leggie makes a huge difference to any side. Especially,given that Chahal was overlooked, Bishnoi had to be considered. New man can cause problems

Also, by that logic KLR and Bumrah haven't played over the last year, should they also be discarded?

0 wickets in 13 overs ODI career, eco 6.75

13 overs not 13 games. We have seen how he bowls in T20s and could have been a handful.

It is actually hilarious how icyman's opinions make me want to defend the BCCI of all people

You aren't defending the BCCI, you are just making your opinions known.

 

[Bevab]

I don't get it, this is pretty close to the squad I posted would be likely to be picked when everyone was grumbling over how India had no certainty over who would be picked and everything be nebulous and yet there are complaints over it?