India tour of West Indies Aug-Sept 2019

[NILAYSHAH60]

I don't understand why is even Bhuvi playing this match. When will bowlers like Saini get chance ?

 

[Bevab]

And I have an achievement of missing it.

Who said anything about me managing to get a glimpse of it? [DOUBLEPOST=1565797644][/DOUBLEPOST]

No way. We are looking to keep Indian cricket on top. World Cup and all will keep happening.

Guess that is why we have our top three playing and Saini being on the bench. Got to get those ICC points, all of them.

 

[Aalay]

Pant is seriously lucky that there isn't much competition for WK's place right now. It's one thing to play a particular way because "that is the way he plays". However, the shot he played today on the very first ball he faced and the shot he played in that WC semi0final tells me that he has the temperament problem. He is probably one of the best talents in the world but he really needs to work on how to build his inning according to situation especially in ODI cricket. Even in domestic cricket, his List A record isn't that great. His keeping is also not that good that he can be in the line-up for his keeping alone.

Shreyas Iyer has shown some brilliant strokeplay and game awareness in the last game and this game as well. Even in this game, he came at a very tricky position and took pressure off Virat Kohli and attacked the spinners brilliantly. Pant doesn't need to look too far and just look at the way how Shreyas has played in the last 2 games after coming in tricky position and how he built his inning. I really hope Shreyas is now given a consistent go in the line-up even if he fails because he has shown that he can play both the spinners and pacers very well. I wouldn't mind seeing him at number 4.

At last, KING KOHLI! The best ODI batsman of all time

 

[LiveLoveABD]

My guess is that Pant bats at 4 and not 5 so that the left right combo is maintained down to 4. It does not matter if he's more suited to 5.[DOUBLEPOST=1565821334][/DOUBLEPOST]

At last, KING KOHLI! The best ODI batsman of all time

Statistically, yes. Factually? Debatable. One of the greatest? Absolutely. For me, these GOAT discussions are very dodgy. Viv Richards SR and average in the era he played in is ridiculous. AB averages 50+ but strikes in excess of 100 and kept wickets for half the games. Sangakkara, Gilchrist and how can one forget the legend of SRT?

 

[Aalay]

Statistically, yes. Factually? Debatable. One of the greatest? Absolutely.

Nah, not anymore. I am putting Viv at number 2.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Nah, not anymore. I am putting Viv at number 2.

Fair enough, but this cannot be factually proven.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

You do not have to factually prove everytime. Sometime we just need to accept. Kohli is a king in the ODI’s, Smith is king in Tests. Do not care about the t20’s.

Yes Viv, AbD, Srt, Sanga, Gilly all are top class players of their time but none match the consistency that Kohli has had. He has not had a lean time ever. His lean time the WC2019 was judged by him scoring 50’s. Thats the standard he has set.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Shreyas Iyer is here to stay. Lets hope the team management gives him a fix position ideally no.4 perfect for a player like him who can adapt according to the situation unlike Pant.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

So it suggests we all want Iyer at No.4. Seems the entire nation wants him at 4. Indian team management, are you listening ?

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

He has not had a lean time ever.

Seems like a bit of exaggeration. There were times where the management decided to drop him but MSD backed him. There were question marks over his place in the Indian ODI team post 2015 WC and I suppose that came from the team management itself. In 2014 England tour Kohli crossed 40 runs just twice, one of which came in the Test series.

To me Vivian Richards and Kohli are par in the Indian One-day side. Despite of Sachin Tendulkar being one of my all-time favourite players doesn't make it to the top 5 ODI batsman of all time as per me. In my view they are Sir Vivian Richards, Virat Kohli, Kumar Sangakkara, Ricky Ponting & Jacques Kallis.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Now we have the Test series coming up. This is going to be the first series of the World Test Championship for the overly hyped no.1 Test side. I think if India don't resolve their batting issues they would face similar fate what England did during their tour of West Indies earlier this year. Playing against this West Indies side means you don't expect much praise for a win while you just can't afford to lose. I think India would be the side that would be under immense pressure in this series.[DOUBLEPOST=1565846447][/DOUBLEPOST]

My guess is that Pant bats at 4 and not 5 so that the left right combo is maintained down to 4. It does not matter if he's more suited to 5.

According to Kohli-Shastri duo Pant is the best batsman we have for this spot.

 

[SaiSrini]

I hope Shreyas Iyer should have nailed his middle order spot with those two crackling performances. Despite the loss of two wickets in an over, Shreyas came out and sparkled and scored at a super quick pace releasing pressure off Kohli.

I hope to god that someone in that management sees the logic behind promoting him to No.4 and have Pant play at a spot where Pant has an excuse of 'playing the way he does right now'. If Shreyas can bat through till beyond the 35th over or the 40th over, Pant has the platform to go for his shots. And its not like Shreyas is slow. We all saw how quickly he scored in that last ODI.

Now the work to get a Jadhav replacement should start. Bring in Krunal Pandya in ODI's. He is more than just a 'big hitter'. Vijay Shankar should be the option if you need a seam up batting allrounder.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I hope Shreyas Iyer should have nailed his middle order spot with those two crackling performances. Despite the loss of two wickets in an over, Shreyas came out and sparkled and scored at a super quick pace releasing pressure off Kohli.

I hope to god that someone in that management sees the logic behind promoting him to No.4 and have Pant play at a spot where Pant has an excuse of 'playing the way he does right now'. If Shreyas can bat through till beyond the 35th over or the 40th over, Pant has the platform to go for his shots. And its not like Shreyas is slow. We all saw how quickly he scored in that last ODI.

Now the work to get a Jadhav replacement should start. Bring in Krunal Pandya in ODI's. He is more than just a 'big hitter'. Vijay Shankar should be the option if you need a seam up batting allrounder.

I would stay as far away as possible from a Krunal Pandya. Our batting is very very fragile. I feel we need to see how fit Dhawan keeps and somehow have Rahul open in a substantial number of games to keep him ready in case he retires. I personally don't see Dhawan in 2023. Kohli 3 EOD, Iyer should be at 4 and given a really long rope. 40-50 LOI? Pant 5, Pandya 6, Jadeja 7 followed by the bowlers. The effort should be put in developing someone like BK or Kuldeep Yadav to have the capacity and make a 6 ball 20. Sunil Narine can do it, Liam Plunkett can do it and I feel both these guys are better batsmen than those I mentioned. Krunal Pandya is a horrible bowler who just bowls a flat trajectory begging not to be hit.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I would stay as far away as possible from a Krunal Pandya. Our batting is very very fragile. I feel we need to see how fit Dhawan keeps and somehow have Rahul open in a substantial number of games to keep him ready in case he retires. I personally don't see Dhawan in 2023. Kohli 3 EOD, Iyer should be at 4 and given a really long rope. 40-50 LOI? Pant 5, Pandya 6, Jadeja 7 followed by the bowlers. The effort should be put in developing someone like BK or Kuldeep Yadav to have the capacity and make a 6 ball 20. Sunil Narine can do it, Liam Plunkett can do it and I feel both these guys are better batsmen than those I mentioned. Krunal Pandya is a horrible bowler who just bowls a flat trajectory begging not to be hit.

I always felt that Krunal Pandya is a bit over-rated and shouldn't be playing for India at all with the quality and standards we have set. There are 100s of players like him in the domestic arena. Krunal Pandya is like a player who would deliver once in 10 matches which isn't even that impactful. Jadeja was much like him but atleast he delivered with the ball which I don't see Krunal Pandya doing it. He needs to improve to be a first choice player for India. I mean improvement terms of fitness and consistency. Having him in ODIs is like a blunder.[DOUBLEPOST=1565964944][/DOUBLEPOST]And where has all the talk regarding Vijay Shankar at 4 disappeared ? I expected him to be playing in this series at that spot. We needed to give him a long run. I believe Shankar would be side-lined now without any valid reasoning.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I think we should not be pressurising KL Rahul. He needs to continue to be the part of T20s but having in ODIs is like we are following the same archaic approach for ODIs of set and hit template. And especially with the batsman Rohit is having KL Rahul would be like we would be hitting our foots with an axe. KL Rahul needs to get through atleast one full season of domestic Cricket and get his issues resolved.