India tour of West Indies Aug-Sept 2019

[LiveLoveABD]

Now that seemed a bit unnecessary. There are other ways to convey your disappointment rather than calling players by names. Only thing I could say is that he has struggled against the moving ball and doesn't have enough calibre to survive in those conditions but still have enough of potential to punch above his weight to survive in those conditions. Just requires a bit of mental discipline. He has developed himself a lot more than what he had a couple of years ago.

You need to stop taking things personally when it comes to Rohit Sharma. These kind of analogies are common in forums. Seen AB de Villiers run between the wickets in the first 10 minutes of his innings? Ants in pants, cat on a hot tin roof type situation. He's quick but he's edgy and nervous and makes some disastrous judgement calls. Just because I'm a manic fan of his doesn't mean I'll take everything said about him personally or say things about him with a coat of sugar. Facts are facts. And I don't know what development or punch above the weight stuff you're talking about. Rohit is what? 31? 32? I think I rather see someone like Shubman Gill fail for 2-3 years than hope Rohit comes off age and gives Indian cricket 2-3 more good years. It's basic ROI. Not saying Rohit Sharma can't do it, but for Indian cricket I think that ship has sailed.

Another thing- All batsmen struggle against the moving ball. I have seen a lot of posts on this forum about Rohit Sharma's technique and I think he has a better one than Virat Kohli. He is more still throughout, he has basically a very tiny back and across followed by a forward press so he is always going to be vulnerable against a fast in swinger but it enables him to not only pull off the front foot but also very good on anything that's slightly overpitched. His problem is in the head. He has absolutely no patience and the reason it doesn't harm him in LOI is because there aren't enough attacking fielders. His failure in tests has nothing to do with technique, only to do with mental fortitude. If he had the resolve of Dravid/Pujara, he would have been the second Bradman.

 

[abhi_jacko]

You need to stop taking things personally when it comes to Rohit Sharma. These kind of analogies are common in forums. Seen AB de Villiers run between the wickets in the first 10 minutes of his innings? Ants in pants, cat on a hot tin roof type situation. He's quick but he's edgy and nervous and makes some disastrous judgement calls. Just because I'm a manic fan of his doesn't mean I'll take everything said about him personally or say things about him with a coat of sugar. Facts are facts. And I don't know what development or punch above the weight stuff you're talking about. Rohit is what? 31? 32? I think I rather see someone like Shubman Gill fail for 2-3 years than hope Rohit comes off age and gives Indian cricket 2-3 more good years. It's basic ROI. Not saying Rohit Sharma can't do it, but for Indian cricket I think that ship has sailed.

Another thing- All batsmen struggle against the moving ball. I have seen a lot of posts on this forum about Rohit Sharma's technique and I think he has a better one than Virat Kohli. He is more still throughout, he has basically a very tiny back and across followed by a forward press so he is always going to be vulnerable against a fast in swinger but it enables him to not only pull off the front foot but also very good on anything that's slightly overpitched. His problem is in the head. He has absolutely no patience and the reason it doesn't harm him in LOI is because there aren't enough attacking fielders. His failure in tests has nothing to do with technique, only to do with mental fortitude. If he had the resolve of Dravid/Pujara, he would have been the second Bradman.

Spot on

Rohit's problems in seaming conditions has nothing to do with technique. He actually has looked comfy against the moving ball (every one plays and misses). The problem is his unwillingness to rein in his stroke playing instincts when the conditions are challenging. Instead of going for the release slog shot, if he just persists for a few overs and survives, he can be a success in Tests. But every single time, he just throws his wicket away, which is unacceptable for an experienced player like him. I mean, obviously he loves batting for long and scoring big going by his exploits in ODIs. The greatest batsmen are able to control their natural instincts to overcome adverse conditions and then make meaningful scores. Rohit so far has always fallen short in Tests

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

You need to stop taking things personally when it comes to Rohit Sharma.

I don't remember me taking things personal when it came to Rohit. I have been a neutral fan and when it comes to supporting players I am always neutral be it Dhoni, Kohli, Smith, Rohit, AB, Jinx or whosoever it is. I just don't have anything personal to do with it. If someone calls out Kohli being struggling in 2014 England tour and calls Kohli a poor batsman that is not just done with me. Again someone calls out AB de Villiers a choker I have every right to prove him a modern day great. I don't have any problem with it. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. And I am fine with your own.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I don't remember me taking things personal when it came to Rohit. I have been a neutral fan and when it comes to supporting players I am always neutral be it Dhoni, Kohli, Smith, Rohit, AB, Jinx or whosoever it is. I just don't have anything personal to do with it. If someone calls out Kohli being struggling in 2014 England tour and calls Kohli a poor batsman that is not just done with me. Again someone calls out AB de Villiers a choker I have every right to prove him a modern day great. I don't have any problem with it. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. And I am fine with your own.

I might be wrong, but you have an inclination towards Rohit and that's fine. Nothing wrong in it.

Just to indulge a little more in this talk of technique and why it's SO frustrating with the situation around Rohit Sharma. I understand why Rohit gets agitated at the overuse of the word 'talent.' He has worked very hard to get where he has but it is his amazing technique actually which makes people think he's 'talented' or more so than Kohli. I'll just go deeper and explain this.

Just notice, how people like de Villiers and Rohit will always struggle against the in coming deliveries. The reason for this is actually their strength i.e those magical hands and the back and across trigger which enables them to be absolute beasts when on the pull. Rohit Sharma is so good he can actually do it while his entire weight is on the front foot while AB needs to transfer his weight on the back foot although he also can execute it without a swivel. Notice, how Virat Kohli's body completely rotates when he's pulling or hooking and he is not always in control off it because he doesn't have that extra second which the other two have. His back and across is also a lot more exaggerated but with a much more open left toe, so he will cover drive more effectively but also that means he nicks off a lot more.

I'll tell you where the class of Kohli and AB kicks in. Kohli is like any batsman vulnerable with the top of off stump, same as AB/Rohit but the one going away. His wrists make it bread and butter when it comes in. The class of AB is such that he can change triggers mid innings and actually be absolutely still as well depending on the situation. I have seen him do it. But, most importantly they both can just shut shop and decide that they will not play a particular shot or type of shot for 'x' hours. That sort of stuff is not taught. It's just adaptation and Rohit very recently was dropped in Australia on the boundary which went for six and then played the same shot next ball and got out.

Don't know if it's talent or what, but if it's god gifted, Rohit has wasted something quite priceless. In my lifetime, I have not seen an Indian batsman have the time to play back foot shots off the front foot.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

might be wrong, but you have an inclination towards Rohit and that's fine.

Sometimes when you just look at a handful of posts you might feel it's like that. Maybe my opinion regarding the game are pretty much firm and hard to change and that is why at times my posts seem a bit inclined towards a particular player. I have consistently backed Rahane in ODIs in the past. I have been very consistently supportive towards Dhoni's abilities as a finisher and at times people did feel I was biased towards them. Again I have rated Kohli over Rohit in all forms of the game and at that time people did feel I am a bit biased towards Kohli. Currently I rate Shaw more than Gill but that isn't any bias or something. It's just my own opinion and I am happy to have my own there. That's it.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

If this Kohli led India win 2-0, Kohli will become the most successful Indian test captain on paper!

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

If this Kohli led India win 2-0, Kohli will become the most successful Indian test captain on paper!

Dhoni wasn't a great Test Captain either. When it came to limited Overs format he had the best Cricketing brains but he struggled when it came to red-ball Cricket. Again, even in limited overs Cricket he failed to live up to his potential. He could've been a lot better. India actually never had a good Captain for Test Cricket. There are just some issues with Kohli's Captaincy in Test Cricket and with experience he would improve for sure! And would deservingly be one of them.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Only thing I could say is that he has struggled against the moving ball and doesn't have enough calibre to survive in those conditions but still have enough of potential to punch above his weight to survive in those conditions.

As @LiveLoveABD had questions regarding this I would like to clear this thing. The word calibre refers towards mental discipline here and not his technique. And again I agree that everyone struggles with the moving ball these days but then when Rohit plays and misses it gets over his head and then he loses out on this patience and goes for the reckless shot to try and release the pressure over him and in the process he gets out trying to force things.

Second thing was punching above his weight stuff. The fact is Rohit can actually play the role of grinding it out and play for longer periods even with the lack of patience he has. That is why I said he has the potential to punch above his weight.

But also there are high percentage of Rohit's dismissals that came off defensive shots. So he just tries to force his way out in the innings. The reason is not having a permanent spot in the team does hamper his confidence.

Also to add to this to play Rohit isn't a necessity. He doesn't yet justify his place in the Test team. But there isn't a problem if he is given a go, there's nothing wrong in it yet.

Just to clarify I would say the above thing in Hindi as sometimes people react to my statements thinking something else which I did not actually mean it

"Rohit ka team me hona zaroori nahi hai, aur na uski jagah team me banti hai. Par uske team me hone me kuch bura bhi nahi hai."

PS: If the moderators/staff members think it wasn't necessary for the last line to be there then they can edit it out.

 

[Bevab]

Pretty much the best lineup you could have selected from the players available.

 

[GOKUL RAJ K]

Why Rohit Sharma Was Not Included in Playing XI.

 

[Bevab]

If you had told me before the game that out of our current top four that Rahul would have been the last man standing....[DOUBLEPOST=1566484450][/DOUBLEPOST]

Why Rohit Sharma Was Not Included in Playing XI.

Would have probably top edged a few of these delicious short balls from Gabriel before being caught for a quickfire 20 or nicked one with Roach swinging it away in his first five balls faced.

 

[Villain]

Good to see Rahane back in there along with Vihari who deserved a chance, 32-3 is not how we would have wanted our first match of Test Championship to start but still hopeful we'd get back in the game in no time!

 

[Bevab]

Just noticed that the Windies aren't playing their usual wicket-keeper in Dowrich and it is Hope that has been keeping. Understandable in white ball cricket but a really questionable move in tests.

Pleased to see that Rahul has mostly been disciplined today with plenty of leaves and good footwork after his horror show last year. A redemption arc for him and Rahane will do very nicely indeed!

 

[zwarrior]

As @LiveLoveABD had questions regarding this I would like to clear this thing. The word calibre refers towards mental discipline here and not his technique. And again I agree that everyone struggles with the moving ball these days but then when Rohit plays and misses it gets over his head and then he loses out on this patience and goes for the reckless shot to try and release the pressure over him and in the process he gets out trying to force things.

Second thing was punching above his weight stuff. The fact is Rohit can actually play the role of grinding it out and play for longer periods even with the lack of patience he has. That is why I said he has the potential to punch above his weight.

But also there are high percentage of Rohit's dismissals that came off defensive shots. So he just tries to force his way out in the innings. The reason is not having a permanent spot in the team does hamper his confidence.

Also to add to this to play Rohit isn't a necessity. He doesn't yet justify his place in the Test team. But there isn't a problem if he is given a go, there's nothing wrong in it yet.

Just to clarify I would say the above thing in Hindi as sometimes people react to my statements thinking something else which I did not actually mean it

"Rohit ka team me hona zaroori nahi hai, aur na uski jagah team me banti hai. Par uske team me hone me kuch bura bhi nahi hai."

PS: If the moderators/staff members think it wasn't necessary for the last line to be there then they can edit it out.

As long as you are providing translation, it's ok. But don't make it a regular thing ;p


Nice to see Rahul sticking along when the big guns failed. Knowing that he won't be dropped will ease his mind further. Very happy to see Vihari in the team as well. Time for them to show the selectors they are here to stay.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

As long as you are providing translation, it's ok. But don't make it a regular thing ;p

Obviously not buddy

Hindi with English script could go terribly wrong. It's still okay with Personal Messaging or a thing like WhatsApp but actually takes away the value of post especially when it's in a technical language or in a high standard forum like this place.