Indian Premier League - General Discussion

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

KKR's issue is the obsession with Narine. He is not a batsman, at least not for the big occasion and I don't think he's someone who could destroy a team even on a rank turner. He is also unfit and the constant scrutiny around his action is an added issue. When you add to this the Russell fitness which is like the stock market KKR's overseas locker is rather bare. Cummins is a good purchase but not for that price. It isn't about the cricketer earning that much, it's about spending 20% of your purse on one player. If you add Narine and Russell then that's 40% on 3 players.

KKR should have gambled on releasing Cummins and look to buy him cheaper and may be even get Richardson if they couldn't get Cummins back. In the next auction cycle, KKR and DC will start strongest as they have all the riches in terms of young talent. It's just that they need a more balanced overseas lot and I for one don't subscribe to Morgan the captain. It means he has to play.

I mean since he was bowling well in the later part of the tournament, Cummins was not going anywhere. Starc would be a great addition since he was last with KKR before he got injured and then missed 2018 due to insurance issue and did not participate in 2019 and 2020.

I am over Narine as a player. He is no longer a match winner. At best he will contribute as others but will still hog all the limelight. Its time KKR looks past him and help a fellow Indian get into form in Kuldeep. KKR can become the next MI if they handle all the domestic players well since they have some serious talent in Tripathi, Gill, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Prasidh, Rana, Siddhesh Lad, Sandeep Warrier, Chakravarthy. I agree Eoin should not be a long term captain since it would mean one of the 4 overseas is him. If we can get a current Indian rockstar in this team, someone like what Gambhir was that would help KKR tremendously.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I mean since he was bowling well in the later part of the tournament, Cummins was not going anywhere. Starc would be a great addition since he was last with KKR before he got injured and then missed 2018 due to insurance issue and did not participate in 2019 and 2020.

I am over Narine as a player. He is no longer a match winner. At best he will contribute as others but will still hog all the limelight. Its time KKR looks past him and help a fellow Indian get into form in Kuldeep. KKR can become the next MI if they handle all the domestic players well since they have some serious talent in Tripathi, Gill, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Prasidh, Rana, Siddhesh Lad, Sandeep Warrier, Chakravarthy. I agree Eoin should not be a long term captain since it would mean one of the 4 overseas is him. If we can get a current Indian rockstar in this team, someone like what Gambhir was that would help KKR tremendously.

I'm not saying they should release Cummins. I'm saying they could have gambled on getting him back cheaper with a fall back in the form of Jhye Richardson and while I'm a huge Cummins fan, Starc is an upgrade in the format. Loyalty is good, stupidity is not.

I don't think KKR need to look at becoming the next MI. They have their own template. Shubman Gill is a readymade skipper and everyone here was on my case for being ballsy about Pant but I'm likewise on Gill and he could be with KKR for not just 10 but even 15 years. He will be the next KKR captain.

 

[Bevab]

I mean since he was bowling well in the later part of the tournament, Cummins was not going anywhere. Starc would be a great addition since he was last with KKR before he got injured and then missed 2018 due to insurance issue and did not participate in 2019 and 2020.

I am over Narine as a player. He is no longer a match winner. At best he will contribute as others but will still hog all the limelight. Its time KKR looks past him and help a fellow Indian get into form in Kuldeep. KKR can become the next MI if they handle all the domestic players well since they have some serious talent in Tripathi, Gill, Mavi, Nagarkoti, Prasidh, Rana, Siddhesh Lad, Sandeep Warrier, Chakravarthy. I agree Eoin should not be a long term captain since it would mean one of the 4 overseas is him. If we can get a current Indian rockstar in this team, someone like what Gambhir was that would help KKR tremendously.

Taking a punt on Gill for the captaincy could be worthwhile and I feel that will indeed be the case. For the next mega auction, I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to convince him to stay with the franchise on a slightly lesser wage by giving him the leadership role instead. Baz behind the scenes with a direct line of communication to him and lesser influential figures in the dressing room will do a world of good.

The more I think about it, the more I feel CSK should go with this lineup for the first game

Gaikwad
Jagadeesan
Faf
Raina/Overseas bat
Jadeja
Curran
Dhoni
Chahar
Thakur/Karn
Hazlewood/Ngidi
Tahir/Sai Kishore

I think Sai Kishore is ready, he has consistently been more economical than M Ashwin despite bowling an over or two in the powerplay and in the absence of Harbhajan we do need a powerplay spinner. The lack of a leggie is a real concern which is why Tahir may be a necessity, could always go with him instead of Thakur too if Chepauk is heavily spin friendly.

Shahrukh Khan should have been bought last season, amazing that he went unsold! Hope common sense prevails and we pick him up, he can hit the ball hard and can bat anywhere in the order. Another domestic spinner would be nice, Gowtham is a big name but hasn't really set the stage on fire in the last two seasons.

 

[SaiSrini]

Taking a punt on Gill for the captaincy could be worthwhile and I feel that will indeed be the case. For the next mega auction, I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to convince him to stay with the franchise on a slightly lesser wage by giving him the leadership role instead. Baz behind the scenes with a direct line of communication to him and lesser influential figures in the dressing room will do a world of good.

The more I think about it, the more I feel CSK should go with this lineup for the first game

Gaikwad
Jagadeesan
Faf
Raina/Overseas bat
Jadeja
Curran
Dhoni
Chahar
Thakur/Karn
Hazlewood/Ngidi
Tahir/Sai Kishore

I think Sai Kishore is ready, he has consistently been more economical than M Ashwin despite bowling an over or two in the powerplay and in the absence of Harbhajan we do need a powerplay spinner. The lack of a leggie is a real concern which is why Tahir may be a necessity, could always go with him instead of Thakur too if Chepauk is heavily spin friendly.

Shahrukh Khan should have been bought last season, amazing that he went unsold! Hope common sense prevails and we pick him up, he can hit the ball hard and can bat anywhere in the order. Another domestic spinner would be nice, Gowtham is a big name but hasn't really set the stage on fire in the last two seasons.

I agree that Jadeja should become a specialist batter. He is ready to take on that mantle. Anyways Dhoni scarcely bowls Jaddu. What this will do is open up a spinner's spot for Sai Kishore, who as you've said, is an excellent T20 bowler and he can truly be the next in line after Washington Sundar if he gets his chances. Did you put Dhoni at 7 so as to make him a "non batting captain"?

I really hope CSK management this time has proper feeders who can give them the heads up to go after M Shahrukh Khan (the TN big hitter). I know we are in a weird year where we rebuild from scratch after the upcoming season (in mega auctions) but its worth the punt to get him and try him out in the middle-lower order. What that could mean is, the dependence on Raina and Rayudu will go down.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I think CSK will do fine. I think their obsession with one or two older players is over and I think this will help them move forward. It's amazing in how much detail we discuss CSK and how little we do of RCB. One barely ever qualifies and the other barely ever doesn't.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I think CSK will do fine. I think their obsession with one or two older players is over and I think this will help them move forward. It's amazing in how much detail we discuss CSK and how little we do of RCB. One barely ever qualifies and the other barely ever doesn't.

Maybe because their issue isn't with the ageing players or absence of a certain player which they need but with man-management?

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Maybe because their issue isn't with the ageing players or absence of a certain player which they need but with man-management?

Absolutely not. Their man management is the best in the IPL. I will stand by my claim from last year that CSK lost vital cogs in their line up before the season began and the only reason so much hue and cry was made about it is because of their consistency so far in 10 years. They lost Raina and Harbhajan before the fun and games began. Can you imagine MI losing Rohit and Rahul Chahar both? RCB losing Kohli and Chahal?

 

[SaiSrini]

I think CSK will do fine. I think their obsession with one or two older players is over and I think this will help them move forward. It's amazing in how much detail we discuss CSK and how little we do of RCB. One barely ever qualifies and the other barely ever doesn't.

Guess RCB having seen too many deep lows just dont simply care as much, while CSK having seen consistently above average times (with a few good highs) fear too much about getting into a dark period.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

I unfortunately do not agree with Gill being handed the captaincy so early on. Yes he has been doing wonders but still needs one solid international year in his belt. Once he gets that, I would agree on him being the captain but he needs more exposure. For now I feel KKR will continue with Morgan and will eventually hand it to Gill in a year or two with a gradual transition. This way its not a big deal, he has some exposure playing with Jinx, Puji, Kohli, Sharma and others, also will learn his own way of leading and managing the side.

He knows he is part of the leadership based on his interviews during the IPL season on how he is now a senior compared to people coming in and he has to lead them well, so he knows but according to me he is not ready yet. He has a very special career awaiting him. I kind a get Yuvi's younger year vibe from him.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Guess RCB having seen too many deep lows just dont simply care as much, while CSK having seen consistently above average times (with a few good highs) fear too much about getting into a dark period.

You're quite a greedy chap I must say. 3 titles and 12 playoff births with 9 finals and calling it a 'few highs'!!

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I unfortunately do not agree with Gill being handed the captaincy so early on. Yes he has been doing wonders but still needs one solid international year in his belt. Once he gets that, I would agree on him being the captain but he needs more exposure. For now I feel KKR will continue with Morgan and will eventually hand it to Gill in a year or two with a gradual transition. This way its not a big deal, he has some exposure playing with Jinx, Puji, Kohli, Sharma and others, also will learn his own way of leading and managing the side.

He knows he is part of the leadership based on his interviews during the IPL season on how he is now a senior compared to people coming in and he has to lead them well, so he knows but according to me he is not ready yet. He has a very special career awaiting him. I kind a get Yuvi's younger year vibe from him.

Sanju Samson has little to no experience. Shreyas Iyer had little to no experience. Gautam Gambhir captained till the end of time after not being a part of the team for years.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Absolutely not. Their man management is the best in the IPL. I will stand by my claim from last year that CSK lost vital cogs in their line up before the season began and the only reason so much hue and cry was made about it is because of their consistency so far in 10 years. They lost Raina and Harbhajan before the fun and games began. Can you imagine MI losing Rohit and Rahul Chahar both? RCB losing Kohli and Chahal?

I was talking about RCB

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Sanju Samson has little to no experience.

I agree about others but AFAIK Sanju is Captaining Kerala for a couple of seasons now in SMAT.

 

[Bevab]

You're quite a greedy chap I must say. 3 titles and 12 playoff births with 9 finals and calling it a 'few highs'!!

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Sanju Samson has little to no experience. Shreyas Iyer had little to no experience. Gautam Gambhir captained till the end of time after not being a part of the team for years.

Pretty sure Shreyas Iyer was the captain of Mumbai before SKY.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Pretty sure Shreyas Iyer was the captain of Mumbai before SKY.

I get that. Shubman Gill has to captain somewhere? I have no doubt in my mind that he's next in line after a stop gap solution post Kohli. For me, what impressed me most is his temperament and I really believe he's going to achieve some incredible things in the sport.

 

[Bevab]

I get that. Shubman Gill has to captain somewhere? I have no doubt in my mind that he's next in line after a stop gap solution post Kohli. For me, what impressed me most is his temperament and I really believe he's going to achieve some incredible things in the sport.

With Mandeep and Gurkeerat ahead of him in the Punjab side, it is unlikely that he ever gets a chance there anytime soon. KKR does seem like his best bet at captaincy apart from the A Team. My main worry is him continuining our tradition of "the best batsman does not necessarily make the best captain".