Indian Premier League - General Discussion

[SaiSrini]

Yeah this is absolutely my jam - I've been thinking about ways to implement substitutions into T20 cricket for years.

It would be much easier if they allowed teams to swap an overseas player for another overseas player, but the challenge would doubtless be part of the fun. And there's more than enough Indian talent to go around.

I would absolutely not look to do anything for the batting (although if it came to it, I would include a batter in my subs pool just in case there was a spectacular first innings collapse. However, my main plan would be to use it to cover bowling options. I would have a spare pace bowler and a spare spin bowler to cover for injuries that might happen in the first ten overs or so of the fielding effort. But my main goal would be to include a bowler to specialise in bowling death overs - all four of their quota in the last 10. If none of your starting XI is a suitable back-up keeper it might be worth including one on the bench, but I'm not completely sure whether the IPL wishes for all substitute fielders to come from the subs bench or not. It would be sensible if they did, but this might be a loophole.

So something like:

1. Mayank Agarwal
2. Rahul Tripathi
3. Glenn Phillips
4. Harry Brook
5. Abhishek Sharma
6. Abdul Samad
7. Washington Sundar
8. Rashid Khan
9. Marco Jansen
10. Bhuvneshwar Kumar
11. Umran Malik

• Samarth Vyas
• Mayank Markande
• T. Natarajan
• Kartik Tyagi

I've picked this on the basis that your back-up keeper does not have to come off the bench.

However, I do have a bolder selection if anyone feels particularly brave:

• Start Rashid Khan on the bench.

That definitely seems insane, but think about it: if you bat first, then you just sub him in for whichever of your opening batters gets out first, and you immediately get a bonus death hitter as well as all of his overs with the ball. If you bowl first, then your designated new-ball bowler (presumably Jansen) can bowl out in the first half of the innings, and then you replace him with a full quota of Rashid Khan.

Of course, if you need to have all sub fielders coming off the bench, then you'll need to have a decent back-up gloveman in your starting XI to cover for that particular emergency.

Also, Sunrisers are absolutely STACKED, what a squad.

Rashid Khan moved to Gujarat Titans last year itself, he is not part of Sunrisers anymore. Also Aiden Markram is part of Sunrisers and there are even talks that he could be a captaincy candidate.

These ideas sound really good. I wonder how much will IPL teams be brave enough to try these out. IPL introduced the concept of the "mid season trade window" and all IPL teams combined in unison to not take even a baby step towards that concept. I have a feeling that all the IPL teams are synced behind the scenes and if they do not like a concept, they will unanimously 'not touch it'. Hope they dont do that with this Impact Player rule. It would be interesting to see it being used. Thats how you can know if its a good concept or not.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

That definitely seems insane, but think about it: if you bat first, then you just sub him in for whichever of your opening batters gets out first, and you immediately get a bonus death hitter as well as all of his overs with the ball. If you bowl first, then your designated new-ball bowler (presumably Jansen) can bowl out in the first half of the innings, and then you replace him with a full quota of Rashid Khan.

This is why I think it's a worse rule than anything. It's basically a 12 player match.

Either that or no one will use it and it'll disappear like the sub rule in the BBL.

 

[Bevab]

The sub rule was used frequently in the SMAT and I can’t see it not being used when teams can gain an advantage easily with it. The IPL trading window mid-season was only useful from a player perspective and made no sense to the team that had to give away a player.. they would gain nothing from weakening their side whilst strengthening a rival they’ll have to compete for in the same season. It works if there is a stronger player agency in the IPL which is sorely lacking.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

@Bevab

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I saw Hangargekar bowling 140 clicks regularly recently. I think CSK has a brilliant side (even for the future)

What on earth are MI doing? Unbelievable shelling out 17.5 for Green. Sure, he's one of the brightest young talents in the world today but that is a bananas signing and I think they needed domestic quicks and quality spinners far more.

 

[Bevab]

I saw Hangargekar bowling 140 clicks regularly recently. I think CSK has a brilliant side (even for the future)

What on earth are MI doing? Unbelievable shelling out 17.5 for Green. Sure, he's one of the brightest young talents in the world today but that is a bananas signing and I think they needed domestic quicks and quality spinners far more.

Mumbai have an enviable pipeline of talent too IMO. Brevis, Stubbs, Tilak and Green will be household names in years to come.

I rate Kartikeya well… he impressed me in the last Ranji campaign he played and he’s shown some impressive variations. He’s a better option than every domestic spinner available in this auction and if nurtured properly can be another one of those ‘MI scout’ finds. Mulani has been one of the best in the business at FC level.. he’s got the capability to reproduce what Krunal provided at least with the ball.

The lack of domestic quicks must be their biggest worry as one injury to Bumrah means they’ll be scrambling around. Tendulkar was decent in the SMAT but it remains to be seen how well that translates to a higher level. Madhwal is another wildcard option. Their overseas pace stocks looks really good as always… Jhye in the right setup can be world class and Duan Jansen is apparently a better white ball bowler than his more illustrious sibling.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I saw Hangargekar bowling 140 clicks regularly recently. I think CSK has a brilliant side (even for the future)

What on earth are MI doing? Unbelievable shelling out 17.5 for Green. Sure, he's one of the brightest young talents in the world today but that is a bananas signing and I think they needed domestic quicks and quality spinners far more.

They tried to get Sam Curran but Punjab were always in a position to be able to outbid both MI and CSK.

 

[Bevab]

They tried to get Sam Curran but Punjab were always in a position to be able to outbid both MI and CSK.

Curran would have been so perfect for them. No wonder they were willing to risk nearly all of their budget on him. Green feels like a reactionary buy in the heat of the moment to missing him.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Curran would have been so perfect for them. No wonder they were willing to risk nearly all of their budget on him. Green feels like a reactionary buy in the heat of the moment to missing him.

I always said Curran or Stokes would be top of their list. Green is the same-ish sort of thing. Not proven, but he has all the ingredients to be a quality player (and they have been scouting him for three years ). Australia were prepared to try him despite having played not T20 since 2020.

If he comes off they have a ten-year player. If not, they can just look for the next big all rounder in town in a year or two (Benny Howell should have at least 24 more slower balls by then). But like you say, they have Duan Jansen, Richardson who could be good bowlers to replace him with. Tristan Stubbs always seems to be forgotten about too.

Can't remember if CSK were in for Green but I expect if MI hadn't got him, they'd have been bidding on Stokes too. The auction order was Curran - Green - Stokes (I think).

Agree about the bowling. Looking at their side, they have eight overs in the bank with Jof and Jas, but it does feel like they'll either be hoping some players come good or will be scraping around for overs. One positive is we might see a lot of this:

 

[Bigby Wolf]

I always said Curran or Stokes would be top of their list. Green is the same-ish sort of thing. Not proven, but he has all the ingredients to be a quality player (and they have been scouting him for three years ). Australia were prepared to try him despite having played not T20 since 2020.

If he comes off they have a ten-year player. If not, they can just look for the next big all rounder in town in a year or two (Benny Howell should have at least 24 more slower balls by then). But like you say, they have Duan Jansen, Richardson who could be good bowlers to replace him with. Tristan Stubbs always seems to be forgotten about too.

Can't remember if CSK were in for Green but I expect if MI hadn't got him, they'd have been bidding on Stokes too. The auction order was Curran - Green - Stokes (I think).

Agree about the bowling. Looking at their side, they have eight overs in the bank with Jof and Jas, but it does feel like they'll either be hoping some players come good or will be scraping around for overs. One positive is we might see a lot of this:

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And maybe another IPL title at the end of this as well.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

And maybe another IPL title at the end of this as well.

 

[Aislabie]

This is why I think it's a worse rule than anything. It's basically a 12 player match.

Somewhat; but there's also the risk vs reward of making big tactical decisions at the expense of being able to replace an injured player later in the game

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Somewhat; but there's also the risk vs reward of making big tactical decisions at the expense of being able to replace an injured player later in the game

I don't think it's really anything to do with injuries.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

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I do that only in India matches.

IPL for me is like time pass cricket.

The die hard support only existed for MI because of the great man Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar.

Ever since then its been a downhill.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I do that only in India matches.

IPL for me is like time pass cricket.

The die hard support only existed for MI because of the great man Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar.

Ever since then its been a downhill.

Same. My passion died the day Pune Warriors India ceased to exist.