Indian Premier League - General Discussion

He has played two back to back good knocks. It is fashionable on this forum and Pakistani social media to just keep blabbering about strike rates. It was even more embarrassing to hear KP imploring KL to get out on commentary. It just shows everyone's general perception of this format now where every game should be a 200 v 200 game. Flat tracks, short boundaries and due to boot.

The most captivating cricket games are those that allow a contest and I think the 160-180 games allow that. It's frankly quite shameless if this forum becomes another Star broadcast or a Cricbuzz panel.
I think KL plays too many 'Schrodinger's innings' where you don't know if it's good or not until the end of the match. If a player takes up too many balls getting in you are wasting those balls regardless of whether you catch up. Ian Bishop seems to have been the only commentator making this point for several years and now others are discussing it too. 50 from 40 is not as good as two players getting 40 from 20.

As a player I don't think KL Rahul is bad, but he seems to either lack confidence to play a more expansive game or be unprepared to take risks. I'd be interested to know how often he has faced 40+ balls and the outcome of the match. It may be that his style leads to more wins and is therefore more beneficial.

I didn't watch yesterday but I see that Mayers had a slightly lower strike rate than Rahul and every player seemed to struggle judging by the strike rates across the game. Also, given how great an impact that Boult has had in the powerplay, seeing him off, is not necessarily a bad idea. LSG won, although I checked the score with about 40 ball to go, I'm not sure how.

Generally speaking though, as the IPL is now 12 v 12, taking too long to get in is less acceptable when every team has an extra batter.
 
I think KL plays too many 'Schrodinger's innings' where you don't know if it's good or not until the end of the match. If a player takes up too many balls getting in you are wasting those balls regardless of whether you catch up. Ian Bishop seems to have been the only commentator making this point for several years and now others are discussing it too. 50 from 40 is not as good as two players getting 40 from 20.

As a player I don't think KL Rahul is bad, but he seems to either lack confidence to play a more expansive game or be unprepared to take risks. I'd be interested to know how often he has faced 40+ balls and the outcome of the match. It may be that his style leads to more wins and is therefore more beneficial.

I didn't watch yesterday but I see that Mayers had a slightly lower strike rate than Rahul and every player seemed to struggle judging by the strike rates across the game. Also, given how great an impact that Boult has had in the powerplay, seeing him off, is not necessarily a bad idea. LSG won, although I checked the score with about 40 ball to go, I'm not sure how.

Generally speaking though, as the IPL is now 12 v 12, taking too long to get in is less acceptable when every team has an extra batter.
This is very accurate, and I do think overall SR can be pretty misleading at times. Yesterday, KL's knock was really sensible, if he had made 20(10) I think LSG would have ended with maybe 10 or 15 less since Stoinis and Pooran would have been in earlier and forced to defend those extra balls anyway and possibly even gotten out early.

It also depends on the team the player is around, PBKS had a really shallow batting lineup, usually had only 7 competent batsmen and even within those maybe 3 of them consistently made runs. Often when KL got out early everything just fell apart since there were no other reliable batsmen, and Pooran and Shahrukh Khan batting in the 13th over is just not ideal.

At LSG though, and with the impact player rule, especially in the 210 vs 210 matches against CSK and RCB, there's just no use of the 20(20) knocks. Maybe 3 or 4 years ago he would have ended with 80(50) eventually but there's enough batting cover in LSG to not just rely on Pooran and Stoinis to bail them out every game
 
Either you are delusion and or a big a KL fanboi which you are most likely.

The trolls and criticism for KL is here and elsewhere for very long period of time and the reason being he is intent or his ultra defensive mindset of taking the game too long till the end putting the pressure on other batters hence affecting scoring.

KL Rahul is a bloke who's got all the shot in the book and on his day can look up the best in the world when on full display he scored a 14 ball half century in the IPL and had a some decent blazing knock over the years.

KL Rahul PP strike rates in the IPL

2019: 120.8 (Avg 46.4)
2020: 124.6 (Avg 152)
2021: 115.1 (Avg 64.8)
2022: 103.6 (Avg 33.8)
2023: 109.2 (Avg 95).

That Strike rate is acceptable if he is able to bat throughout the innings like he did in 2020 where he ended up batting till late and scoring big which isn't an ideal formula in the shortest version of the game where you have designated batters in the middle overs specifically meant for power hitting.

His style of batting of batting is ideal for a team where there isn't much power hitting options available in the lower order so he can look to build and play an innings throughout the 20 overs which he has done quite successful over the years especially with the Punjab franchise winning organe caps.

Whe you have power hitters like Pooran, Stoinis to come out also having the likes of Badoni and Pandya in the mix batting with a sedate strike rate and throwing up the wicket later is just a waste.

That Chinnaswamy match was another such case, Yes Siraj was bowling bonkers in power play but the bloke played 20 deliveries for just 18 runs and got out at the 11th over with RR with 14 an over. (Thanks to some hitting by Pooran
otherwise the game was all but over.)

The best T20 teams in the World (England for example) has players who go right from ball one and have players in the ranks to slog the hell out in the middle overs.

The low slow wickets like yesterday or LSG are ideally suited for his style of batting but the T20 world is going to put out that 180-200 kind of pitches 8 times out of 10 no matter what and his style of play or mindset is definitely not a way for achieving big innings consistently.

Heck that mindset even costed India atleast few icc events and exactly why Pakistanis all across the web are criticising Babar and Rizwan.

Yeah. This post sums it up. This is basically being in your own world like some of us Indians were in the 2000's where we were just looking for reasons why India were not hammering the Aussies. People actually don't get how good England are in the white ball format and head to head comparisons with their batters and ours are just done by people who do not understand our game.

Ben Stokes
Moeen Ali
Sam Curran
Liam Livingstone

We are talking here about 4 cricketers with exceptional skillsets capable of winning the game in either discipline on their own. Hell, their part timer spinner bowls both disciplines. If you look at their bowlers- Jordan, Wood, Rashid, Archer are all match winners but also capable of making 20 of 10 or at least one of them will on a given night.
When you have the luxury of Rashid coming in at 10/11, it enables you to just ignore the track and attack from the outset. If the track demands an adjustment then losing 2/3 wickets is not an issue for them.

One last thing- England have not yet had a big game on a tacky wicket. Sure, they're absolute beasts on the flat tracks but I still believe in teams like India, Australia and Pakistan if they clash on a wicket with something on it for the bowler. I saw the entire game yesterday and I believe Jos Buttler after AB's departure is the best white ball batter in the world and he too found it difficult to get going.

Lastly, on the subject of being a "fanboy" of KL? I think I deserve to be called that when it comes to Dhoni/AB but while I love KL's style, he simply doesn't have the all round temperament to be a top dog like the two I mentioned. I sympathise deeply with him like I did with Kohli in his bad run and it is fashionable in this country to be obsessively critical on anything someone does. The bloke has amassed IPL seasons which would be a matter of envy to any premiere batter. Is he the best there is? Not by far. Is he as bad as some claim? Not by far. The annoying thing is his hesitant attitude when the game is on the line specially in an IPL game where his place is as secure as secure can be. He played a shot yesterday which was on, he timed it as well but he just didn't go through with the hands in totality. Therefore instead of it landing in the stands, it went to long on. As far as the India gig is concerned? I think it was a joke for him to even be considered a test captain and I think his handling in the white ball format has been a joke.

To conclude?

I think the fans anger with him on his hesitation to push the button when he is reasonably set is justified. His temperament and the unnecessary pressure he puts on himself is what leads to him crumbling in these moments.

What angers me? He was playing perfectly fine last night and the tirade on commentary and social media during his innings was pathetic. It was not a track to go hammers and tongs from ball 1 and Rahul realised that and was playing a mature innings mixing aggression with rotation but he got a delivery he would deposit in the stands easily but that same hesitant mindset got in the way.
 
Yeah. This post sums it up. This is basically being in your own world like some of us Indians were in the 2000's where we were just looking for reasons why India were not hammering the Aussies. People actually don't get how good England are in the white ball format and head to head comparisons with their batters and ours are just done by people who do not understand our game.

Ben Stokes
Moeen Ali
Sam Curran
Liam Livingstone

We are talking here about 4 cricketers with exceptional skillsets capable of winning the game in either discipline on their own. Hell, their part timer spinner bowls both disciplines. If you look at their bowlers- Jordan, Wood, Rashid, Archer are all match winners but also capable of making 20 of 10 or at least one of them will on a given night.
When you have the luxury of Rashid coming in at 10/11, it enables you to just ignore the track and attack from the outset. If the track demands an adjustment then losing 2/3 wickets is not an issue for them.

One last thing- England have not yet had a big game on a tacky wicket. Sure, they're absolute beasts on the flat tracks but I still believe in teams like India, Australia and Pakistan if they clash on a wicket with something on it for the bowler. I saw the entire game yesterday and I believe Jos Buttler after AB's departure is the best white ball batter in the world and he too found it difficult to get going.

Lastly, on the subject of being a "fanboy" of KL? I think I deserve to be called that when it comes to Dhoni/AB but while I love KL's style, he simply doesn't have the all round temperament to be a top dog like the two I mentioned. I sympathise deeply with him like I did with Kohli in his bad run and it is fashionable in this country to be obsessively critical on anything someone does. The bloke has amassed IPL seasons which would be a matter of envy to any premiere batter. Is he the best there is? Not by far. Is he as bad as some claim? Not by far. The annoying thing is his hesitant attitude when the game is on the line specially in an IPL game where his place is as secure as secure can be. He played a shot yesterday which was on, he timed it as well but he just didn't go through with the hands in totality. Therefore instead of it landing in the stands, it went to long on. As far as the India gig is concerned? I think it was a joke for him to even be considered a test captain and I think his handling in the white ball format has been a joke.

To conclude?

I think the fans anger with him on his hesitation to push the button when he is reasonably set is justified. His temperament and the unnecessary pressure he puts on himself is what leads to him crumbling in these moments.

What angers me? He was playing perfectly fine last night and the tirade on commentary and social media during his innings was pathetic. It was not a track to go hammers and tongs from ball 1 and Rahul realised that and was playing a mature innings mixing aggression with rotation but he got a delivery he would deposit in the stands easily but that same hesitant mindset got in the way.
England did win two World Cup finals on difficult batting wickets.
 
One other thing I feel has been vastly ignored from an Indian POV is the whole raft of injuries and returns that have not been fruitful in the past couple of years.

KL had a sports hernia and he has not been himself after. I also hear from close quarters that he has a very early stage tennis elbow.
Deepak Chahar has gone completely to waste since his return. He's bowling at best 125 and it's not decking around. When we toured SA you'd be forgiven for mistakenly calling him Jimmy Anderson.
Harshal Patel went for 35+ in an over but was bowling some of the best death overs I've seen an Indian bowl. (Bumrah aside) There is a "UAE" argument about him but Yorkers are Yorkers in UAE, Australia, India and Iceland.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar's decline has been rapid. He's gone from being a close match to Bumrah to being a pedestrian PP bowler who's a no-go in the death.
Jadeja came back with a bang on the bowling front but his batting is not looking as destructive as before.

These are the one's right at the top of my hat. But there is something fundamentally wrong here.
 
They were certainly not tacky wickets.

They were as tacky as you’d get in the current era. For me England have staked a legit claim to being one of the best white ball sides of all time given they’ve demonstrated their ability to switch it up on different pitches across multiple tournaments compared to their 2017 version. Sure they may not be as imperious on surfaces that are skewed heavily towards bowlers but if they were to play constantly on such surfaces they’d adapt to it too. And I don’t think there are other white ball sides that can claim to be as incredible on roads like them with the exception of perhaps the legendary Aussie squad.
 
One other thing I feel has been vastly ignored from an Indian POV is the whole raft of injuries and returns that have not been fruitful in the past couple of years.

KL had a sports hernia and he has not been himself after. I also hear from close quarters that he has a very early stage tennis elbow.
Deepak Chahar has gone completely to waste since his return. He's bowling at best 125 and it's not decking around. When we toured SA you'd be forgiven for mistakenly calling him Jimmy Anderson.
Harshal Patel went for 35+ in an over but was bowling some of the best death overs I've seen an Indian bowl. (Bumrah aside) There is a "UAE" argument about him but Yorkers are Yorkers in UAE, Australia, India and Iceland.
Bhuvneshwar Kumar's decline has been rapid. He's gone from being a close match to Bumrah to being a pedestrian PP bowler who's a no-go in the death.
Jadeja came back with a bang on the bowling front but his batting is not looking as destructive as before.

These are the one's right at the top of my hat. But there is something fundamentally wrong here.

And I’ve been very critical of the role of NCA and our skill coaching for a long time that has contributed to this. Siraj’s evolution in white ball cricket and Shreyas going from horrendous to poor against the short ball are the only instances I can remember of players actively improving in the Indian setup in recent times. Hardik has been the only one in recent times to have bounced back from a long term injury layoff and that has been with the advantage of having access to the MI wealth, a plethora of advisors and being a smart cookie himself. He’s also changed his style with both bat and ball as a result.
 
And I’ve been very critical of the role of NCA and our skill coaching for a long time that has contributed to this. Siraj’s evolution in white ball cricket and Shreyas going from horrendous to poor against the short ball are the only instances I can remember of players actively improving in the Indian setup in recent times. Hardik has been the only one in recent times to have bounced back from a long term injury layoff and that has been with the advantage of having access to the MI wealth, a plethora of advisors and being a smart cookie himself. He’s also changed his style with both bat and ball as a result.
Siraj had a little spell with Warwickshire. Gone through the roof since, clearly learning from Oliver Hannon-Dalby.
 
CSK find their Overseas Openers like clockwork, don't they? All the social media talk about the franchise doing the wrong thing of letting Faf Du Plessis go, and they have found another gun in Devon Conway! We got him for 1 crore, and he has already delivered 5x that investment.

Jadeja's renaissance with the ball this season, is pleasing to see. CSK's middle overs throttle and their new found confidence in the death (credits to DJ Bravo; his work is showing) clearly the reason behind their position in the table at this moment. 4 wins out of 6 already, especially when we play 4 home games in our last 6 of the league phase and on more tired home wickets that will take more and more turn as the tournament progresses. Fingers crossed, hoping to see CSK in Qualifier 1 at Chepauk (announced today that Chepauk hosts Qualifier 1 and Eliminator). :cheers
 

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