India's tour of Australia - January 2016

[prasoonvidhu]

We can see why Dhoni is a staunch supporter of Raina in the ODI team.. A batsman who could bowl a bit and a very good fielder. He can score quickly too. He might not have a good technique but at the moment seems a good bet in this Indian middle order.

 

[Aravind.]

And nobody cares about flat pitches in Australia...

 

[Targaryen]

vs Bangladesh - Lost
vs South Africa - Lost (Home)
vs Australia - Lost
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MSD, days are near to say goodbye to ODI captaincy.

 

[Rehan_24]

I can share videos of many young emerging players from Pakistan as well who were so good at the start and then they didn't capitalize on their strengths and fell down one such example is Imran Nazir in the batting dept for whom Tony Grieg and one legendary WI batsman (Don't remember his name) that Nazir is the finest talent in the world at the moment. Look where he is, He is here because of his stubborn attitude that I am the 2nd Shahid Afridi and my purpose is to entertain public.. lol

Only coaching can't destroy you, You aren't a baby, have a brain, skill and talent and a good talent has always guts to make a strong comeback, Greg was not sitting there in India for ages and his intentions were surely not to destroy Pathan's career, He did his effort which might have wrong direction but putting the entire blame on him that is surely closing your eyes from other stuff which happened around an emerging player in the sub-continent. How one gets attention and within a week gets hell lot of commercialization.

Wasim Akram has always said that only talent is not enough, though it is very important but to grow further and capitalize, You need immense hard work, focus, commitment and dedication towards your job to become one of the best fast bowlers in the World and getting a strong captain is your bonus which He had "Imran Khan" but you got to work on your own as well. You need immense practice in the nets.

I will again repeat that Greg was not in the Ground, You guyz can remember who was the captain in that era? Was he not seeing what is happening with his bowler? Seriously, Its hard to believe what you guyz are cooking here blaming everything on Greg.

Wasim did coach Pathan initially and I categorically remember wasim's interview on a Pakistani media channel about Irfan that today what Irfan is, is because of his own hardwork, I just gave him tips, He worked hard on them and did a lot of practice, so credit goes to him.

What was the coaching tenure of Greg? He wiped out Pathan's all talent with a blink of eye by the help of his rubbish coaching tips? Well.. Are you serious guys?

I would agree on one point though that he has been used unfairly for some time period, Captain and coach wanted to make him a forced all-rounder perhaps, He used to come at no. 3 for sometimes, so the focus may get deviated from the primary job which was his bowling. Once being dropped, How in the world he was unable to make an impactful comeback from his bowling? A Mystery case perhaps... I do remember how Pathan was busy in an indian contest dancing show and was doing proper dance and acting and I was like Dude! You are a cricketer not an actor/dancer...

 

[Targaryen]

I can share videos of many young emerging players from Pakistan as well who were so good at the start and then they didn't capitalize on their strengths and fell down one such example is Imran Nazir in the batting dept for whom Tony Grieg and one legendary WI batsman (Don't remember his name) that Nazir is the finest talent in the world at the moment. Look where he is, He is here because of his stubborn attitude that I am the 2nd Shahid Afridi and my purpose is to entertain public.. lol

Only coaching can't destroy you, You aren't a baby, have a brain, skill and talent and a good talent has always guts to make a strong comeback, Greg was not sitting there in India for ages and his intentions were surely not to destroy Pathan's career, He did his effort which might have wrong direction but putting the entire blame on him that is surely closing your eyes from other stuff which happened around an emerging player in the sub-continent. How one gets attention and within a week gets hell lot of commercialization.

Wasim Akram has always said that talent is not enough, You need immense hardwork, focus, committment and dedication towards your job to become one of the best fast bowlers in the World and getting a strong captain is your bonus and He had Imran Khan. I will again repeat that Greg was not in the Ground, You guyz can remember who was the captain in that era? Was he not seeing what is happening with his bowler? Seriously, Its hard to believe what you guyz are cooking here blaming everything on Greg.

Wasim did coach Pathan initially and I categorically remember wasim's interview on a Pakistani media channel about Irfan that today what Irfan is, is because of his own hardwork, I just gave him tips, He worked hard on them and did a lot of practice, so credit goes to him.

What was the coaching tenure of Greg? He wiped out Pathan's all talent with a blink of eye by the help of his rubbish coaching tips? Well.. Are you serious guys?

I would agree on one point though that he has been used unfairly for some time period, Captain and coach wanted to make him a forced all-rounder perhaps, He used to come at no. 3 for sometimes, so the focus may get deviated from the primary job which was his bowling. Once being dropped, How in the world he was unable to make an impactful comeback from his bowling? A Mystery case perhaps... I do remember how Pathan was busy in an indian contest dancing show and was doing proper dance and acting and I was like Dude! You are a cricketer not an actor/dancer...

I disagree with your point on Greg. At some point he tried to improve Irfan with his so called "tips/suggestion". But he could have given that "tips" in favour to Irfan's strength. Why the hell he encouraged him to "discover" a new talent in him which he doesn't possess.

Again, Irfan was far better with his bowling role. For what reason they wanted him to be an allrounder? Do India have lack of talents?

Rather than turning a bowler to an allrounder, they could have given a chance to the new players to discover themselves.

Imo we have lost a great bowler who could have been Zaheer Khan's successor but with that "rising talent" thing a world class bowler turned into a plain & simple allrounder.

 

[PokerAce]

Greg was a complete backstabbing psycho who went behind players' back and b!tched about one player to another player and threatened to end their careers if they didn't agree. There is not one player in India who played under Greg who has not complained about him. Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar are all on record to say what a destructive influence he was on the side.

Just go to youtube and you will find vids. Those who didn't follow the Greg Chappel era closely please refrain from using general cliches to defend him. The seniors could tell Greg to fk off when he threatened them, but a new comer like Irfan had to do what he was being told. Greg just messed Irfan up completely.

 

[Targaryen]

This topic is going somewhere else. Back to India's tour of Austrialia
I smell a tasty piece of cake ready for Australia to bag this series as a whitewash.

 

[zwarrior]

Any info if Rahane will be fit ?

Also, I expect Manish Pandey to be back in the team in place of Mann and if Rahane will not be fit, Pandey will be in for Rahane. Also, Ashwin should be back. Drop any bowler, it doesn't matter.

 

[grkrama]

All-rounder Irfan Pathan back in the swing of things - Times of India



would guess rahanae will be rested

 

[PokerAce]

Saw people having a go at Rishi Dhawan and Mann for the defeat. I am not sure that is where the blame lies.

 

[greymatter776]

Even Wasim Akram did point out in the pre-match show about bringing Irfan into the scheme of things and said he would be a good choice as a seaming allrounder.Well we are experimenting even young Pandhya & Sran so I feel it wouldn't be a bad decision to get Irfan in.But still something tells me Yuvraj or Pandhya would perform in the T20Is and would make a comeback to the ODIs.
About our loss,well I ain't much surprised.We are too dependent on our top order.

 

[Aalay]

And nobody cares about flat pitches in Australia...

THIS.

Had India prepared these kinds of surfaces, so called former experts would have gone absolute berserk. I haven't seen or heard a single criticism from them so far of this series except this tweet from Mitch Starc.

 

[SaiSrini]

We can see why Dhoni is a staunch supporter of Raina in the ODI team.. A batsman who could bowl a bit and a very good fielder. He can score quickly too. He might not have a good technique but at the moment seems a good bet in this Indian middle order.

I feel more than anybody, Raina was sorely missed on this tour. His energy and body language itself is a positive for India. And his fielding lifts the team, which has looked unusually bad on the field in recent times. First thing I would do is bring Raina back. Keep him at No.6 and whatever runs he can contribute during the death overs will be a bonus for India. A few big hits here and there can help.

Even Wasim Akram did point out in the pre-match show about bringing Irfan into the scheme of things and said he would be a good choice as a seaming allrounder.Well we are experimenting even young Pandhya & Sran so I feel it wouldn't be a bad decision to get Irfan in.But still something tells me Yuvraj or Pandhya would perform in the T20Is and would make a comeback to the ODIs.
About our loss,well I ain't much surprised.We are too dependent on our top order.

I think our team is now almost close to the next transitional phase where we have to phase out the next set of seniors like Dhoni, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, etc. For one, you can't have two slow scoring batsmen in the middle order where they have to bat in the death overs. Rahane and Dhoni (of today) are in similar mould where its not very easy for them to get the big hits going from the beginning and they need lots of time. Rahane's position in the batting lineup needs a lot of serious thinking and I am guessing it will probably be Kohli who will make the right decision on Rahane's position once Kohli becomes captain (I doubt Dhoni has it in him to make that decision). Rahane either opens or does not play ODI's and T20's - simple as that.

More than Yuvraj, I am hoping Raina performs in the T20's and gets back in ODI spot. Also Pandya performing would be a huge boost as our seaming allrounder conundrum is getting uglier. Dhoni has publicly downplayed Rishi Dhawan to the extent that probably it affected Rishi's performance when he was finally given the chance.

 

[PokerAce]

I think our team is now almost close to the next transitional phase where we have to phase out the next set of seniors like Dhoni, Yuvraj, Harbhajan, etc. For one, you can't have two slow scoring batsmen in the middle order where they have to bat in the death overs. Rahane and Dhoni (of today) are in similar mould where its not very easy for them to get the big hits going from the beginning and they need lots of time. Rahane's position in the batting lineup needs a lot of serious thinking and I am guessing it will probably be Kohli who will make the right decision on Rahane's position once Kohli becomes captain (I doubt Dhoni has it in him to make that decision). Rahane either opens or does not play ODI's and T20's - simple as that.

Must have been one hell of a party you have just come from !!

 

[abhi_jacko]

Rahane's position in the batting lineup needs a lot of serious thinking and I am guessing it will probably be Kohli who will make the right decision on Rahane's position once Kohli becomes captain (I doubt Dhoni has it in him to make that decision). Rahane either opens or does not play ODI's and T20's - simple as that.

You have got to be kidding !! Its the same bs that Dravid had to deal with when he was trying to break into the ODI squad. People felt he was too slow and not right. In the end, we realized how invaluable he was. Especially in non-flat conditions.

Rahane is in the same mould - he can forge partnerships, long ones and can win matches for us in ALL conditions. He is also someone who can and will work on his weakness and find solutions. One of the most promising talents. Plus Kohli has always had good words to say for Rahane. Its Dhoni who has been critical of him and gone as far as dropping him because he cannot rotate the strike.

Agree with you about Raina. It will be good to see him hit some form. He can be very valuable, especially in home conditions