Finally a WI win, first innings looked to be the same it has been all series. Russell is becoming a very handy late hitter and his bowling is coming along nicely. Also looks like WI have 2 leggies in the making, a good series for Martin backing up Bishoo earlier.
India's tour of West Indies June 2011
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martins interview was great. and good to see the windies finally winning. COME ON!!
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^I had no idea Gavaskar said that. It was just my feeling. I am however flattered to learn that I think like the great man.
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Why everyone is so furious and aggressive against Badri & Co. after just one loss? We should support them at every stage. It was expected that we will lose atleast one match before start of the series. This loss was necessary. This will make them realise their mistakes, so they can rectify them in England series.
Especially Raina, Kohli, Yusuf and Ashwin should check what is going wrong.
I am happy for Russel, he will be a great all-rounder in future.
But yes Badri don't deserve chance in England series, but he derves to get spot in playing XI in test series against WI, with respect to his domestic record this season.
Especially Raina, Kohli, Yusuf and Ashwin should check what is going wrong.
I am happy for Russel, he will be a great all-rounder in future.
But yes Badri don't deserve chance in England series, but he derves to get spot in playing XI in test series against WI, with respect to his domestic record this season.
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Have to say there leggies are really good. Bishoo got lots of wickets against Pakistan too. Anthony Martin is also a member of the fire brigade.
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Why everyone is so furious and aggressive against Badri & Co. after just one loss? We should support them at every stage. It was expected that we will lose atleast one match before start of the series. This loss was necessary. This will make them realise their mistakes, so they can rectify them in England series.
Especially Raina, Kohli, Yusuf and Ashwin should check what is going wrong.
I am happy for Russel, he will be a great all-rounder in future.
But yes Badri don't deserve chance in England series, but he derves to get spot in playing XI in test series against WI, with respect to his domestic record this season.
Personally Yusuf needs to be dropped. You can't play him 100 times and he proforms 1 once. Need someone more responsible. Tiwary shouldn't have opened. He is more of a middle order batsmen. Patel is only good for about 30-40 quick runs. YOu can see they are missing the quality of Gambhir and Sehwaq and Sachin.
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Munaf's 'spin' sparks debate over need for speed
Roberts certainly over-exaggerated that he is spinning, but what does speed have to do with quality of the bowler? I don't get why so many people call for bowlers to be out and out fast bowler to be a good wicket taking bowler. He is doing the job of picking wickets regularly and has been averaging below 25 since last year or so.
Roberts certainly over-exaggerated that he is spinning, but what does speed have to do with quality of the bowler? I don't get why so many people call for bowlers to be out and out fast bowler to be a good wicket taking bowler. He is doing the job of picking wickets regularly and has been averaging below 25 since last year or so.
I'd like to see more medium-pacers used in Test cricket. However, the conventional wisdom is, I believe, that no matter how good they are at domestic, they need serious pace to be good enough as specialist Test bowlers.
I realize this may not apply to Munaf, if he's well above medium. I just wanted to agree that the law that states "the faster the better" has not been properly tested.
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Most great fast bowlers of past have been genuine quickies for a major portion of their career. Mcgrath and Pollock are the exceptions and were mostly 130-135 KPH bowler for most of their career however I have seen Mcgrath bowl over 140 KPH in early part of his career. Think of all the other greats. Marshal, Imran Khan, Holding, Croft, Wasim, Waqar and many other legendary fast bowlers have got one thing in common. Yes you guessed it right, Pace.
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Not necessarily, time and again its been proven that pace isn't required to be a great fast bowler at international level. Mcgrath, Vass, Pollock have done quite well and they used to bowl around 130-135 too.
They had one more thing in common too, they used to get their line and length right. Only speed is of no use to any bowler, take Tait as an example. Steyn has got pace as well as control over the line and length too. So yeah pace does help but unless you don't get other things right its of no use.
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^I never said they did not bowl on line and length. If you bowl a 150 KPH delivery at even a tailender's pad, its likely to get tickled away to fine leg for a boundary. I was just intending to inform that extra pace is one of the key weapons in any genuinely good quickie's arsenal. A case in point is Zaheer Khan. He is an exceptionally good bowler in world cricket presently but will he ever be bracketed with Waseem? He has the late movement, control, and both kind of swings ala Waseem but he misses the key ingredient of pace that will ensure he will always be rated far below Akram.
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I can certainly remember Imran before he was 'fast' - in 1976-7 in Australia he was first-change (iirc), deferring to the now forgotten Salim Altaf (and the less-forgotten Sarfraz). Hadlee is another one - started off medium-fast or somesuch, then went to a short runup later on. He could be pretty lively even off the short runup, but I have to wonder what portion of his historical stature is down to genuine pace. Akram I believe did the short runup thing too - can't have been express doing that. It got to be terribly fashionable for a time! Yes it was a recovering from injury thing, but pacy bowlers spend most of their careers doing that.
The definition of 'fast' seems to have changed also. You don't have to exceed 150ks any more do you? Nowadays you can get away with hitting 90mph occasionally.
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India bat first and are struggling against the bounce a bit. 18 for 1 at the end of 5 overs
Not a bit, but big time! This's exactly what I was talking about. Had it not been for those 4 spinner friendly tracks, who knows what could have happened? Even a 5-0 whitewash win to the WI was on the cards. Very disappointed with the curators tbh. That said, I'm not offending the Indians one bit. Its just that they haven't had the traditional West Indian wickets to taste this time round.
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