Mini Mafia - Town wins!

[puddleduck]

Yeah what Adi said. If he's Vig, is there not a huge chance that his kill could be used to target one of two mafia if we miss with Manly? In that if we successfully lynched the mafia tomorrow, Sim could feasibly have killed the second mafia that night?

I don't know, I guess I am suspicious of the claim. As I've said earlier, I can't also help but feel the roles now imply that Sim maybe failed to kill Hedger first night when the block occurred. That maybe we just have a mafia, a SK, and a Jailkeeper?

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This is mini mafia? Is that relevant? Is there maybe only three forms of PR in this?

 

[hedger_14]

Mini mafia I just assume means that there isn't many players (7) rather than the 10+ that there normally is in most games.

 

[Aditya]

@Barmyarmy - If Manly is indeed town then someone among us is lying. We'd not be able to know who among us is lying until and unless we lynch Manly and he is actually town. If Manly is indeed townie, it's not a big deal because it's not like he has a important role that can help us like Sim has (that's what he says). Sedition can block vig at night and even if Sim is lying and he is not vig but serial killer, we will still be able to save a kill, so it's basically the same thing. Mafia will target a townie but what if Manly is mafia and Sim is also mafia then it's win-win situation for us, isn't it? For me, lynching Manly is the best bet.

 

[barmyarmy]

Either that or the scenario; Manly lynched (mafia), Sedition role blocks vig/serial killer and then we go into the next day and see what happened in the night.

The point is that it's a worst case scenario. There's no point simulating scenarios where we successfully lynch mafia...

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@Barmyarmy - If Manly is indeed town then someone among us is lying. We'd not be able to know who among us is lying until and unless we lynch Manly and he is actually town. If Manly is indeed townie, it's not a big deal because it's not like he has a important role that can help us like Sim has (that's what he says). Sedition can block vig at night and even if Sim is lying and he is not vig but serial killer, we will still be able to save a kill, so it's basically the same thing. Mafia will target a townie but what if Manly is mafia and Sim is also mafia then it's win-win situation for us, isn't it? For me, lynching Manly is the best bet.

If we lynch Manly (town) and Sedition blocks Sim then I agree it won't be game over but if Sim isn't mafia then sedition, the only confirmed town power role, is dead.

 

[puddleduck]

So if Sim is lynched, how will he show up? Town if Vig? Neutral if SK?

 

[barmyarmy]

Correct. Town if vig.

 

[puddleduck]

What about my point though Barmy?

I'm starting to understand the worst case scenario now actually....

If we fail to lynch mafia tonight, we will potentially have 2 mafia and a SK in the game? So if someone dies tonight, we could be at a point tomorrow where if that person is Sedition we have the potential to see 2 night kills and even feasibly a mislynch again? It would be massacre

However if the SK is killed, we are left either with someone suspected as mafia, or a genuine vanilla town? I'm not sure I like that Manly has slowly seemed more town as more information in game has allowed him to do so?

 

[barmyarmy]

What about my point though Barmy?

Which point?

 

[Aditya]

The point is that it's a worst case scenario. There's no point simulating scenarios where we successfully lynch mafia...

I was pointing out the other scenario because if Manly is mafia, it just makes it so much easier.

Yeah, on a serious note I agree with you. Sim is the safest bet for lynch today. I got a bit carried away there and forgot about the possibility that if Sim isn't mafia, then Sedition will obviously be killed by mafia and we'll lose an important role.

There ya go, that's why we depends on you, man. You make the game easier/less confusing.

 

[puddleduck]

Which point?

The one about the Vig being able to follow a successful lynch either today or tomorrow by removing second mafia member that night and picking up the win?

Hmm I think it's kind of been answered though.

I guess Sim it is, I felt he was pretty genuine with it at the time, but this could be a masterstroke. If he comes back town though, I'll find you highly suspicious though! If he does come back mafia/SK you're a genius and I would say the only confirmed town in the game with Sedition just behind

 

[Manly]

Hedger's post #402 gives me an inkling that the mafia team is he and sim. This, alongside sim's vigilante claim doesn't sit right with me... What are everyone else's thoughts on that? I just don't think it adds up in the grander scheme of things.

 

[puddleduck]

The thing is, the first note pretty much clears or condemns Hedger as with Sedition blocking him, and the failed roles, he is either the mafia killer, or was targetted? That's my read on him so far.

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I'd probably suggest that if we lynch Sim (which I am starting to lean towards), that Sedition may have to block either you or Hedger again? That depends on whether Sim is mafia though, as if not, Sedition will have to go covert and hope he picks the right target to save himself that night.

 

[barmyarmy]

Vote count

Manly (3) - PD, Hedger, Sedition
Sim (2) - Colin, Adi

4 needed for a lynch

Final extension of 24 hours.

This is still the situation so if we're suspicious of simsanta we probably shouldn't leave it so he can still hammer Manly. As I said there is a scenario where that could practically win the game for the mafia even though he would probably get lynched himself.

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I'd probably suggest that if we lynch Sim (which I am starting to lean towards), that Sedition may have to block either you or Hedger again? That depends on whether Sim is mafia though, as if not, Sedition will have to go covert and hope he picks the right target to save himself that night.

The problem here is that Sedition has to tell us exactly who he is blocking in case he dies. I left a coded message in my first mafia game as to who I was blocking in case I got killed

 

[Manly]

The thing is, the first note pretty much clears or condemns Hedger as with Sedition blocking him, and the failed roles, he is either the mafia killer, or was targetted? That's my read on him so far.

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I'd probably suggest that if we lynch Sim (which I am starting to lean towards), that Sedition may have to block either you or Hedger again? That depends on whether Sim is mafia though, as if not, Sedition will have to go covert and hope he picks the right target to save himself that night.

...Which would leave us up a creek of excrement without a means of propulsion and our backs very much against the wall if he picks wrong.

 

[puddleduck]

Dunno, doc might save him, and if the mafia are worried about it, they might target someone else just in case.

Ok... I can change my vote if people are sure it's the right thing? I feel Sim was fairly genuine when he was on, he had plenty of time to hammer Manly and didn't. If he comes back Vig, I think I've been manipulated massively