Mohammad Asifs "B" sample positive for steroids

[Animator!]

Second time he's done this, it was pathetic that he managed to get off the last time. So hopefully the ICC throw the book at him and throw him out of the game for life.

 

[Chetan0304]

This kind of people insult the Great game of cricket Ban Him for life

 

[vaibhav mehta]

I am more concerned that Cricket word has lost a young talent who would have been somewhere else in history with W Akram and W Younus.Though it is his own Fault.God bless him.

 

[fisch]

I'm perplexed. Why the heck would you need nandrolone to bowl consistent line and length?

 

[vaibhav mehta]

I think He would have used it for Extra Pace.
no,You are spot on.He has been good enough with his Line and Length and should have played with his limitations.
I guess,It has been tradition in Pakistan cricket that he was just following.

 

[Ayub 95]

He is a drug cheat but how was his a and b sample different

 

[usy]

let down, simply, idiotic, not well managed, mad cow.

 

[fisch]

The A sample was 6.2, the B sample was 5.4. (nanograms per millilitre)

I'm not sure whether or not that discrepancy is large enough to be significant.

 

[Master Khan]

I use to like Asif but now he is just a Idiot.:
he could have been the next Glenn McGrath

 

[usy]

No way, you can't compare that dumb person with a cricketing legend McGrath.

McGrath is pure skill.

 

[Sureshot]

The A sample was 6.2, the B sample was 5.4. (nanograms per millilitre)

I'm not sure whether or not that discrepancy is large enough to be significant.

Well, both samples would have been taken at the same time. (I presume they were, that's how it is normally done iirc.)

The limit at which the body can produce Nandrolone is 2 nanograms per millilitre. So he is at 3 times the limit. It's not just over the limit, is it?

I don't know, has any precedent been set when there has been differences like that? I really don't see how it should affect him. Both samples are well over the limit.

Sureshot added 13 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

But there CANNOT be such a difference in the readings.

Its the same dang pee, yet one sample has 6.3, and the other is like 5.1?

Is that even possible?!

My assumption would be that concentration can vary throughout a sample of urine. Vaiby, can you shed any light? Or do I need to ask my medical expert? (TeeHee)

 

[vaibhav mehta]

I think this is because of the Method which they used to reveal Nandrolone.
Quantification of nandrolone metabolites was performed by GC?MS from Urine.And actually it has error value of 0.8 -1.0 ng per ml.
Means If you analysis 10 times from same urine samples then it would give you 10 different figures though difference between them can't exceed 0.8-1.0 ng per ml.

So Suppose If Sample B would have came with something 3.0 or even 4.0 then He would have escaped.Though it was not possible as Sample A was 6.2.
That is why We may find False Positive result in this Analysis.

Anyway 6.2 is just too high and no way He can explain this.

 

[Insomniac]

There has been a precedent set.

In the Asian Games 2002, I believe a woman athlete was tested with something similar to nandrolone. When the B sample was tested, it was still over the limit, but it was lower.

Then I believe she submitted her pee pee again for a DNA Test, and they proved that the pee pee submitted id not match the one that they just received.

Also vaiby, what are you on about. 6.2 is NOT high.

A limit of 2 ng per ml of urine (set by the International Olympic Committee) is the maximum concentration thought possible to occur in human body by 'natural means', and if this is exceeded the drug test is considered positive. Since some samples given by athletes have shown levels up to 100 times higher than this, the conclusion is that the athletes must have been taking extra quantities of the drug to enhance their performance.

http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/nandrolone/nandc.htm

That would be 200 ng per mL

Asif is 6 ng per mL.

Also, there are WAY too many cases with Nandrolone testing being found to be inaccurate.

Vaiby, you may be a doctor, but I'm not sure you specialize in drug testing.

Have a look at this -

Studies performed by UCLA's Catlin and by researchers at the Cologne lab, then under the International Olympic Committee, showed in 2000 and 2002 that a wide range of nutritional supplements commonly taken by elite athletes were contaminated with nandrolone and other steroids.

Catlin's research, furthermore, made clear that it was not difficult for tests to distinguish a contamination victim from a cheater. His paper noted that an athlete taking nandrolone in a determined effort to cheat would show levels higher than 100,000 nanograms per milliliter, or parts per billion, of urine.

And vaiby, you say 6.2 is too much? Yet, this research determines that it would actually be 100,000 or higher, if Asif was trying to cheat.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...0,0,2627563,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Vaiby, you may be a doctor, but I think you have been officially owned. 6.2 is NOTHING.

And I am yet to find a source on the 0.8 - 1.0 ng per ml figure - can you please point me to one on that? If it is one of the sources only doctor people can look at, can you please take a screenshot of the relevant information?

Thank you.

 

[lightbulb]

Shoaib, Asif, all these drug takers should be given the life ban, this is ridiculous.

 

[vaibhav mehta]

Also vaiby, what are you on about. 6.2 is NOT high.



http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/nandrolone/nandc.htm

That would be 200 ng per mL

Asif is 6 ng per mL.

Actually 6.2 is just too high for a Sportsman who plays cricket.
Regarding to athlete,they don't administer this drug alone and rarely.They contaminated it with other Supplement which increase the potential activity of Nandrolone.They have to perform once a 4 year and they don't administer it a day before a game as they started to administer it months before the event.They can take this drug up to unprescribed level because they would use antagonist of androgens later to avoid its side effects,which is something Cricketers can't do as they have to play more frequently.

A normal Human body may have Nandrolone level up to 0.8 ng per ml so definitely 6.2 is just too high for Cricketer.

vaibhav mehta added 3 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

And vaiby, you say 6.2 is too much? Yet, this research determines that it would actually be 100,000 or higher, if Asif was trying to cheat.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...0,0,2627563,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

No Asif would not reach to 100,000 or Higher until He takes that drug more than 20 days or He would mix it with any other Corticosteroid which can stimulate action of Nandrolone.

I am not here for big Debate not at least in the area of Medicine but Anywhere in the world 6.2 is just too high for a Cricketer.