No patch for AC09 - officially confirmed

[pcfan123]

Exactly , it just pisses me off when people say "at least we have the beta patch" because I am on console. Consoles were more than 90% of the sales.

Hmarka added 0 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...

thats just dutchy for you

I wish I could be as Zen as he is , but then again he has the beta patch.

 

[Dutch]

Exactly , it just pisses me off when people say "at least we have the beta patch" because I am on console. Consoles were more than 90% of the sales.

Hmarka added 0 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...



I wish I could be as Zen as he is , but then again he has the beta patch.

Too true. I can very well imagine console players utter frustration with the situation and how they will feel hard done by! Ah yes Zen! Not many people know that Zen originated in Germany: "Zen, you zit down, und zen you close your eyez, und zen you thinks of nussink!"

 

[barmyarmy]

There is an obvious bias for Codemasters on PC, just take anything you read from the mods/PC play testers with a grain of salt. I know I will be after those greatly exaggerated play test reviews.

To be fair, I think the official PC review for AC09 was 6/10 or something similar.

Well thank you for being fair since I didn't go to a playtest but did write the review. The game unpatched is a 6/10.
I find it tragic that the patch won't be released because, not only did TMG work incredibly hard on it, but, unlike most patches, it actually addressed the things people cared about and improved the game. Had they not gone bust and the patch been unreleased people would be posting about how wonderful they and Codemasters are and how much they care for their customers.
How do you think Jamie and Rob feel about this? They've gone above and beyond the call of duty to make sure this patch a/ got made b/ got released and through no fault of either of them it hasn't been. They get to read vitriolic personal abuse - not classy.
As for the suggestion that Codies could have finished the patch themselves I think people don't understand what happens when a company goes into administration. They don't let you back into the office to retrieve whatever you were working on and send it to someone else. You are locked out and the company ceases to function. The only way to do it would have been to start the process of patching the console versions again using the PC betas as a base. The only people with the knowledge to do that live in Australia and no longer work for Transmission. The cost and logistics were obviously prohibitive. Even if the money and time had been available there are all kinds of other licensing, marketing, intellectual issues to consider.
Do I favour Codies over EA? Yeah, probably. Here's why:
EA
- produce the same game with the same bugs year on year
- ignore community feedback to the extent that bugs present in 2002 were still in C07
- have rarely made any attempt to connect with their customers, do Q&As etc
- make no attempt to respond to our e-mails or reply to questions on their official forums.

Codies
- after blic2005 was announced community liaision posted regularly on the PC forums.
- Trailed facts of the day, answered questions, provided exclusive content.
- Organised visits on 3 seperate occasions for PC members to visit Codemasters and see/play their games.
- Spoke to the community about bugs fixes and improvements and actualy implemented (some of) them.
- Respond to e-mails, answer questions, post information on their official forums.
- Provided prizes every year for the PC awards.
- Provided exclusive content to PC members
- Worked with the admins on this site to create a patch that actually did something (unlike EA's 2002 offering)
- Were planning on involving PC in beta testing pre-release for future cricket games.

Despite all this, I still gave AC09 6/10 out the box. It is possible to admire what a producer is doing without having to compromise our integrity when it comes to reviewing games. I will continue to stick up for Codemasters, not because I have to (how easy would it be to put the boot in now?), but because I believe that it is fair and proper.

As far as I'm concerned Codemasters have led the way on community-relations; it's great to see Game Ventures and Mamba Games following that and I just hope one day EA will catch up.

 

[chaitanyaraghav]

As far as I'm concerned Codemasters have led the way on community-relations; it's great to see Game Ventures and Mamba Games following that and I just hope one day EA will catch up.

yeah..on dec 25th 2050 when not even a single copy of EA Cricket 2051 is sold

 

[SpitfiresKent]

All we need is people who know about cricket and is passionate about the game, Jamie Firth doesn't know anything about cricket and is certainly not passionate about the game.

I'm all ears for EA creating the next cricket game, it's not as if they can do any worse than the garbage codies/TG produced.

 

[Ollie_H]

I have to ask you Colin, If they are so in the forums, how come they can't come onto the forums and answer some peoples questions to tell people how it is? ATM there going through you.

 

[barmyarmy]

All we need is people who know about cricket and is passionate about the game, Jamie Firth doesn't know anything about cricket and is certainly not passionate about the game.

That's not my impression. Even if it were correct Jamie was the producer not the developer.

I have to ask you Colin, If they are so in the forums, how come they can't come onto the forums and answer some peoples questions to tell people how it is? ATM there going through you.

Well Rob and Heath were until TMG went bust and they could no longer speak for them. Jamie has done several Q&As for the site answering members' questions. He also reads the forums regularly.

 

[Highlander999]

Would you want to come onto the forums and be given a load of abuse by a bunch of kids who are kicking up?

Frankly, I have looked through this thread and just rolled my eyes. Firstly. IT IS A GAME. The way some of you have reacted it is like you have been told you mother was getting a crucial operation to save her life and then been told it is not going to happen. All this swearing and slagging people off. It is so uneccesary. Yah, I bought AC'09. I played it a few times and decided it was pretty poor. Ok, I spent ?25 or however much it was. I can spend double that on a night out and vomit it all up the next morning. If there is one thing I have learnt over the years, it is by slagging and insulting people off, you aren't going to do yourself any favours. Oh and for those who appear to have no business sense and wonder why PC are not slagging Codies off. Just think. If PC admins are there slagging everyone from Codies off, do you really think Codies are going to go out their way to give exclusives? Of course not.

Maybe AC'10 is gonna be good, maybe it isn't, who knows, but seriously, looking at the ages of a few people on the forum and some of the comments they have been making, some of them seriously need to grow up!

 

[barmyarmy]

I'm going to disagree with you there Tom.
We're not avoiding slagging off Codies because of "business sense", we're not doing it because we've actually worked with them and respect what they've tried to do.
As I said before Codies appreciate the constructive criticism and feedback we give them as it helps improve the game and the franchise.

 

[Highlander999]

So the fact that if you were to be seen to slag them off they would effectively stick two fingers up at you and any exclusives doesn't influence the way you guys are gonna communicate with the forum publically.....? And tbf, whilst I disagree with slagging them off at the extent which some members have, they haven't exactly done a good job, to earn people's respect.

 

[Ollie_H]

Well Rob and Heath were until TMG went bust and they could no longer speak for them. Jamie has done several Q&As for the site answering members' questions. He also reads the forums regularly.

So I'f I'm correct in saying, Now that TMG have gone bust, Rob and Heath are no longer allowed to talk about the production of Ashes 09 and anything that went with it that the public didn't know?

Would you want to come onto the forums and be given a load of abuse by a bunch of kids who are kicking up?

But if these kids were given it to straight and allowed to talk to producers/developers 1-1, they could appreciate everything that has gone on, and they might earn some respect back. I think it's the way, no offense to Colin, he says they regularly read the forums, so people expect them to be able to post answer their questions which they haven't done maybe due to contractual reasons. Colin and maybe the rest of the admins, know what has gone on inside, the people commenting here obviously don't, and clearly they want to know but they can't and some people can't live with that. I just think that , say if Rob/Heath/Jamie were to come and post on the forums and tell people how it is/was then people might see it for what it is.

Also, are Codies themselves gonna produce AC2010? Considering TMG have gone?

 

[barmyarmy]

I don't have an answer on AC10. Rob and Heath can't post anything I would imagine as a condition of their redundancy (don't know, just guessing).
My impression from Jamie has been that the patching process post-recievership was tremendously complicated. He has said to me that they can't talk about the reasons why the patch didn't happen at present but he did leave the door open by saying if at some point in the future he can he will.

barmyarmy added 1 Minutes and 54 Seconds later...

So the fact that if you were to be seen to slag them off they would effectively stick two fingers up at you and any exclusives doesn't influence the way you guys are gonna communicate with the forum publically.....? And tbf, whilst I disagree with slagging them off at the extent which some members have, they haven't exactly done a good job, to earn people's respect.

There's a huge difference between slagging people off in a personal way and being honest and constructive in your critcism. I'd like to think my review and other comments encompass the latter approach.

 

[Simbazz]

Colin I am with you with what your saying, but at the end of the day, the only thing these guys have done is brought out an extremely unplayable game (for console players atleast).

The only reason AC09 has been sat on my shelf since summer is because of the patch, which was needed to make spinners atleast effective and also get the RR's sorted.

I feel for those guys who've lost thier jobs, but Codies could have surely done so much more.

 

[surendar]

So I'f I'm correct in saying, Now that TMG have gone bust, Rob and Heath are no longer allowed to talk about the production of Ashes 09 and anything that went with it that the public didn't know?

My thinking would be,

1) Rob & Heath can even now ask, " What is AC09? Never heard of it before! " because they no longer belong to Transmission.

2) Since the product has been given to Codies to deliver it to end users, unless codies officials sort the personal help of those transmission guys ( unofficial way ), there is not even going to be a single positive sign for us. This is definitely not going to happen after the official confirmation. So we should only think to move on now.

Best thing is, Keep our fingers crossed for some good developers like transmission to take up the AC11 project else, ...

surendar added 4 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

I feel for those guys who've lost thier jobs, but Codies could have surely done so much more.

That was they did. They ( Codies - Publishers ) agreed to developers ( Transmission ) for the patch. You don't see this kind of maintenance support too often especially in sports games. Once a product is delivered, even if it's a crap, we should wait for the next one. That was what we were doing till now.

Remember, because of Transmission guys, we had a minute ray of hope in the patch. Not the codies. Those people(codies) were not even aware till some point that such a patch even exists.

It was only due to interaction of Transmission guys. Now with their situation going worst, none can help it. Codies can't even say a word officially.

 

[Hitterman]

Well thank you for being fair since I didn't go to a playtest but did write the review. The game unpatched is a 6/10.
I find it tragic that the patch won't be released because, not only did TMG work incredibly hard on it, but, unlike most patches, it actually addressed the things people cared about and improved the game. Had they not gone bust and the patch been unreleased people would be posting about how wonderful they and Codemasters are and how much they care for their customers.
How do you think Jamie and Rob feel about this? They've gone above and beyond the call of duty to make sure this patch a/ got made b/ got released and through no fault of either of them it hasn't been. They get to read vitriolic personal abuse - not classy.
As for the suggestion that Codies could have finished the patch themselves I think people don't understand what happens when a company goes into administration. They don't let you back into the office to retrieve whatever you were working on and send it to someone else. You are locked out and the company ceases to function. The only way to do it would have been to start the process of patching the console versions again using the PC betas as a base. The only people with the knowledge to do that live in Australia and no longer work for Transmission. The cost and logistics were obviously prohibitive. Even if the money and time had been available there are all kinds of other licensing, marketing, intellectual issues to consider.
Do I favour Codies over EA? Yeah, probably. Here's why:
EA
- produce the same game with the same bugs year on year
- ignore community feedback to the extent that bugs present in 2002 were still in C07
- have rarely made any attempt to connect with their customers, do Q&As etc
- make no attempt to respond to our e-mails or reply to questions on their official forums.

Codies
- after blic2005 was announced community liaision posted regularly on the PC forums.
- Trailed facts of the day, answered questions, provided exclusive content.
- Organised visits on 3 seperate occasions for PC members to visit Codemasters and see/play their games.
- Spoke to the community about bugs fixes and improvements and actualy implemented (some of) them.
- Respond to e-mails, answer questions, post information on their official forums.
- Provided prizes every year for the PC awards.
- Provided exclusive content to PC members
- Worked with the admins on this site to create a patch that actually did something (unlike EA's 2002 offering)
- Were planning on involving PC in beta testing pre-release for future cricket games.

Despite all this, I still gave AC09 6/10 out the box. It is possible to admire what a producer is doing without having to compromise our integrity when it comes to reviewing games. I will continue to stick up for Codemasters, not because I have to (how easy would it be to put the boot in now?), but because I believe that it is fair and proper.

As far as I'm concerned Codemasters have led the way on community-relations; it's great to see Game Ventures and Mamba Games following that and I just hope one day EA will catch up.

Completely agree with you. When you ask about info of their game to EA, they'll say "we don't know at all". Codies have really provided attention and support to all. Mindstorm/Mamba and GV are really social like Codies hence their game is also becoming popular.

Last time I tried to contact Mr. Firth, he provided a reply that he cannot provide any details on the patch. I can understand what problems Codies are facing at the moment.