Now tell me he isn't a chucker?!

[sohum]

Well amazingly, I watch cricket. I saw Gilly Fan's video and its pretty point blank.

Looks like you weren't watching cricket at 2000 frames per second closely enough.

Im through with this chucking business. He throws the ball in my opinion.

There lies the problem with your reasoning, I feel. You define chucking as "anything that I think is chucking". There are two points to note here: (i) just because someone watches/plays cricket doesn't mean that they define chucking the same and (ii) it is obvious that an optical illusion is created to the amount that seeing is not believing.

The ICC addressed all these different opinions regarding chucking by instantiating mathematical limits for how you bowl. How realistic are these limits? I will never know. Most people won't. But the ICC showed in their findings that even bowlers whose actions looked absolutely clean were over the limits by a lot.

Murali is probably going to sue him for defamation. I wouldn't take Bishan Bedi seriously. He tends to call anyone who has taken more wickets than him, a chucker.

Bedi has been hit by senility a little earlier than the rest of his compatriots, it seems. He has gotten himself into ridiculous situations over and over again!

With all the best will in the world I'm sure that anyone would be affected (somewhat) by having to bowl under lab conditions. You can be sure though that the guys doing the testing would have done everything in their powers to make sure that he was bowling as closely as possible to his normal action -otherwise what's the point in them being there?

There was also a thing done with ESPN-Star a couple of years back where they put a metal cast around his right arm which would allow straightening up to the limit. He was able to bowl all his balls (including the doosra) with the same sort of turn and bounce he gets in a match situation.

I don't think the Murali situation will be resolved until we have live measurements taking place in game, and a message coming through to the standing umpires every ball.

"scientists used to think the earth was flat"

And you would have thought otherwise during that time? Well if you would have then, I hope you are putting together some serious research to disprove the currently approved science.

Nope, would've had the same ammount of success had he played 1/2 of his Test Match career on flat/pacey wickets in Australia like Warne has & only had 1 tour of Bangaldesh?

But Australia has had how many 5-test match tours against England?

 

[smssia0112]

I'm not quite sure what your point is re England? They are the 2nd best team in the world.

 

[Sureshot]

This might sound stupid but i can turn my wrist 360 degrees i think, does that mean moving your hand down to touch your forearm?

It should be worth noting that Murali is double jointed, one of the reasons for his very unusual wrist action.

 

[Animator!]

Murali is simply using a natural deformation to his own good. Nothing wrong with that, nothing in the laws that says a Cricketer cannot bowl if his wrist is ridiculously triple jointed abling him to twist it all over the place.

 

[Insomniac]

And then Shoaib Akhtar and RP Singh (yes, RP Singh) both have hyperextension of the arms, Akhtar has been called for chucking several times, but they proved that it was an abnormality in his arms that allowed him to do what he could do with the arms.

 

[Leggie]

and ruchi perera....

 

[irottev]

That Botha guy SA used had an illegal action. When I saw that at the time, it wasn't that obvious to me. Murili's looks a lot worse. I wouldn't have picked it.

I thinki Murili should retire and keep what credibility he still has.

 

[Insomniac]

Administrators, Moderators, this is rediculous. This thread should be closed, because nobody here can prove that Murali is a chucker. He is a legend, and is due to pass Warne's record in his next few tests.

If anybody can prove here that he is a chucker, then do so. Else this thread should be closed.

Fact is - he is double, triple, WHATEVER jointed. He has plenty of credibility and respect. Fact is, only the fans who have suffered against Murali whine.

I haven't seen any current player whine about Murali, except that Bedi guy, who should keep his mouth shut, like all of you here.

 

[MUFC1987]

I agree with zMario. This is all just rubbish from some members on here who can't seem to accept that Muttiah Muralitharan is a very good bowler.

 

[Will_NA]

Administrators, Moderators, this is rediculous. This thread should be closed, because nobody here can prove that Murali is a chucker. He is a legend, and is due to pass Warne's record in his next few tests.

If anybody can prove here that he is a chucker, then do so. Else this thread should be closed.

Fact is - he is double, triple, WHATEVER jointed. He has plenty of credibility and respect. Fact is, only the fans who have suffered against Murali whine.

I haven't seen any current player whine about Murali, except that Bedi guy, who should keep his mouth shut, like all of you here.

Bedi retired ages ago.

Every fan has suffered against Murali

 

[evertonfan]

I think i've said it before, but generally the only people who think Murali chuck are Warne fanboys who can't bear the fact that someone will end up taking more wickets than him.

 

[Almost_Austwick]

That Botha guy SA used had an illegal action. When I saw that at the time, it wasn't that obvious to me. Murili's looks a lot worse. I wouldn't have picked it.

I thinki Murili should retire and keep what credibility he still has.

So you're taking the same stance of Hooper and refusing to accept any scientific data that says that Murali doesn't throw?

Administrators, Moderators, this is rediculous. This thread should be closed, because nobody here can prove that Murali is a chucker. He is a legend, and is due to pass Warne's record in his next few tests.

If anybody can prove here that he is a chucker, then do so. Else this thread should be closed.

Fact is - he is double, triple, WHATEVER jointed. He has plenty of credibility and respect. Fact is, only the fans who have suffered against Murali whine.

I haven't seen any current player whine about Murali, except that Bedi guy, who should keep his mouth shut, like all of you here.

Though I agree with you to some extent I'm willing to keep this open in the vague hope that someone who feels that Murali is a chucker can counter with a valid argument and not just that it looks wrong or so and so says he throws.

At the same time it's up to others to counter that view and provide discussion\evidence as to why they feel he's legal and not just moan about those who take a different view (this goes for both sides).

As for your last comment, I'm sure that some current players have many views on Murali but choose to keep quiet due to the threat of censure. I'm also pretty sure that the last thing you want to face is a fired up Sri Lankan team who feel aggrieved about comments made about your star bowler. Lets see what happens in the next 5 to 10 years as players who've played against Murali retire and release books etc. I dare say we'll see some interesting views.

 

[charith]

That Botha guy SA used had an illegal action. When I saw that at the time, it wasn't that obvious to me. Murili's looks a lot worse. I wouldn't have picked it.

I thinki Murili should retire and keep what credibility he still has.

NO matter what evidence anyone provides or talks about people are always going to base their judgement on the naked eye. So when people say its an optical illusion its just falling on deaf years.

Times are changing people. The whole point of having technology is to enlighten everyone and murali has done that several times. Accept it and move on. How do you think it would've affected him the past 12 years? Representing your country and winning games single handedly and still having to deal with people accusations and skeptisicm? So for people who still base their judgement on their eyes like Bedi too bad. Your time has come and gone its an new era. The same argument can be applied for the 3rd umpire. It was brought into the game to make decisions more accurate and credible and testing bowling actions does the same thing.

As for the laws being changed just for murali thats absurd. Just note that if they ddnt want the doosra being bowled since it was over the then limits of 5 degrees they could've just banned it. But they took a step back from all the analysing and realised that all bowlers might bend the rule and then they conducted the tests in the Champions trophy in 2004 in England. Thats when they say that all bowlers with the exception of sarwan had some degree of elbow straighning and changed the limits. In a way yes it was Murali who brought it about because he brought the ICCs attention to the issue with his own testing but it was definitely not done just to include him in the game.

And regardless what people think SL is not still considered a leading test nation despite mualis feats. best example being a 2 TEST series in Aus where SA, ENG, WI, PAK all get atleast 3 tests. So its not a cashcow and no where as near a subcontinental giant like india to lose out on so much money just by banning one player if that was required.

 

[Insomniac]

Look, fact is. Technology doesn't lie. Ok, they can be broken (bugs, etc.).

But when you have program after program after experiment after experiment testing him, and EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING saying that he doesn't chuck, then more than likely / most probably he doesn't.

Look, most of you who are saying Murali chucks is from Australia. Not to be blant or anything, but thats a very worrying sign.

Even Andrew Symonds, has said to you guys specifically (he said Australian crowd) to give Murali the respect he deserves. Just look at what happened to Hair, when he decided to no ball him. He couldn't umpire in games involving Sri Lanka, and soon after, Pakistan, or any other test side. Believe it or not - another Australian.

I cannot see what vandetta you guys (Australians) have against Murali. I am not saying all Australians are like this, I'm sure thats far from it, but most of the ones on this forum are certainly being a bit whiny about a legend who will take over their legend.

 

[sohum]

I'm not quite sure what your point is re England? They are the 2nd best team in the world.

They are not the best players of spin, are they? People argue that Murali gets cheap wickets against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and that's why he is going to cross Warnie's records. How about the fact that Murali has only played 13 tests against England compared to Warne's 36 in roughly the same career span? Murali's average against England is also better than Warne's though his strike rate is marginally worse. One can go as far as to say that if Muralitharan played 5 test-match series' against England every 2 years, he would have had considerably more wickets than Warne at this stage.