Official, confirmed, verified "You are the umpire" thread

[qpeedore]

Both of you were thinking along the same lines, and you're correct.

The "soft signal" comes into play when there is some doubt, but either one or even both of the onfield umpires think that there is just enough for them to make a call.

These days they let you into the walkie-talkie conversations between onfield and the booth (which I think shouldn't be done). But with something like a low catch it would be like...I dunno, say Rod Tucker (dunno, just the first umpire that came into my head)...it would be like, "Hey Rod, we've got a low catch, we've chatted, we can't be sure, but soft signal is out."

It would be up to Mr. Tucker to find evidence to give it not out. He doesn't have to look to see if it's out, that's not why the umpire's review was called for. Note that. It can be marginal, it can show a lot of doubt, it can be terribly inconclusive, but because the soft signal is out and there is no evidence to overturn it, the final call is out.

The same in reverse. "Rod, we've got a low catch, soft signal is not out." Same replays, same catch, same everything. If it's inconclusive, then there is no evidence to overturn the decision on THE SAME catch. Not out will be the call.

 

[qpeedore]

A great experiment would be to show videos of that sort of stuff to different umpires, telling them they are in the booth, and half will be told soft signal is out, the other half will be told soft signal is not out.

It would be a pretty decent research paper...

I have ideas for other research as well...

 

[qpeedore]

It is the second innings of an ODI match. The team chasing requires 278 to win. After just 13 overs (chasing team at 65/1), you get a message on your headset from the third umpire's booth. There is a problem with the Hawkeye ball tracking system and it will be unavailable for an undetermined period of time. This match has already been agreed on by both boards as having this system available for reviews.

You are assured that technicians are frantically working to fix the problem, but nobody can give a timeframe as to when it will be up again.

What do you do now?

 

[Yash.]

It is the second innings of an ODI match. The team chasing requires 278 to win. After just 13 overs (chasing team at 65/1), you get a message on your headset from the third umpire's booth. There is a problem with the Hawkeye ball tracking system and it will be unavailable for an undetermined period of time. This match has already been agreed on by both boards as having this system available for reviews.

You are assured that technicians are frantically working to fix the problem, but nobody can give a timeframe as to when it will be up again.

What do you do now?

Comtinue the match without it and hope there are no such cases

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

It is the second innings of an ODI match. The team chasing requires 278 to win. After just 13 overs (chasing team at 65/1), you get a message on your headset from the third umpire's booth. There is a problem with the Hawkeye ball tracking system and it will be unavailable for an undetermined period of time. This match has already been agreed on by both boards as having this system available for reviews.

You are assured that technicians are frantically working to fix the problem, but nobody can give a timeframe as to when it will be up again.

What do you do now?

Just consult the Captains of both the teams whether they agree to play without the technology. If they agree then continue with the match but if one of them objects then stop the match till the time everything comes into working condition. I think there is something called playing conditions. And it was decided well before in advance that DRS needs to be in place. So it is completely fine.

I think this has to be something similar to the light tower going off during night time in between the match. In such instances the match comes to an halt. So I think it has to be same for the DRS failure as well.

 

[qpeedore]

I think @Nilay_60 has mostly gotten the answer.

First of all, I would ensure that the match referee is aware of the situation. But this isn't something like a light tower shutting off. That event would make conditions dangerous and unfit for play, so there's definitely a reason to hold up the match until that gets fixed.

The reason why I specified 13 overs is because 13 overs is not enough to be called a match, you can't bring Duckworth and Lewis into the equation.

Yes, I will meet with both captains. I will inform them of the situation, but I won't hold up the game because of it. See the revised ICC Men's ODI Playing Conditions, Appendix D, Item 2.1.5 - Should the third umpire be temporarily unable to respond, a white light (where available) shall remain illuminated throughout the period of interruption to signify to the on-field umpires that Umpire Reviews are temporarily unavailable, in which case the decision shall be taken by the on-field umpire.

 

[qpeedore]

I really can't edit the above post, because it would be unfair after 24 hours has passed, but that ICC article referred to "equipment or technical failure".

Alright, let's go again.

1 run has been completed. As the striker's end umpire, you are standing at square leg. The batsmen are attempting two. You notice that the man running to your end is short in his run (the bat has not been grounded behind the crease), but the ball is still in the outfield. The batsmen attempt three. At your end there is a massive display of wickets in the air and a diving batsman throwing himself toward the line. It is most definitely out. But there was one run short. What do you do?

 

[El Loco]

I really can't edit the above post, because it would be unfair after 24 hours has passed, but that ICC article referred to "equipment or technical failure".

Alright, let's go again.

1 run has been completed. As the striker's end umpire, you are standing at square leg. The batsmen are attempting two. You notice that the man running to your end is short in his run (the bat has not been grounded behind the crease), but the ball is still in the outfield. The batsmen attempt three. At your end there is a massive display of wickets in the air and a diving batsman throwing himself toward the line. It is most definitely out. But there was one run short. What do you do?

I have a feeling that once the batsman fails to make the crease then the rest of the runs he makes following this are nullified.

In any case if that were true then in this scenario the maximum number of runs awarded would still be one anyway, as compared with assuming that the number of runs awarded is solely the number of times the bat is grounded behind the crease. Looking forward to the answer for this one.

 

[qpeedore]

Giving you a boost. Any other run off of a short run is to be counted as a run.

 

[El Loco]

Giving you a boost. Any other run off of a short run is to be counted as a run.

Ah I see. In which case only one run awarded, but on the basis of the fact that the bat was grounded only once.

 

[qpeedore]

1 run has been completed, no questions there.

Second run was short. No run.

Third run, if it had been completed, would have been valid despite the second being short. So the overall would have been two runs, batsmen stay at the ends they ran to.

However, the third run attempt resulted in a run out. Batsman at the striker's end is out, new batsman comes in to stand at that end. One run is the result. Just posted that extra message to try to confuse you, but you got it the first time.

 

[qpeedore]

You are officiating in a Test match. The striker plays an on drive, which the bowler attempts to field in his follow through. The batsmen attempt a run, but with the bowler out of place, both him and the striker collide and crash heads. Both fall to the ground. Another fielder runs in and whips the bails off at the non-striker's end and appeals. As the striker has currently not made his ground at the bowling end (which he was running to), you give it out.

But the fielding captain, seeing what has happened, withdraws the appeal from his teammate. Everyone runs to the two downed men, and the fielder apologises to you, saying that the appeal was done in the heat of the moment and he did not realise that the players were seriously hurt. You are satisfied that it is genuine, and so you accept the withdrawal of the appeal. However, there are two hurt players in mid-pitch.

Doctors and physios and team management swarm the field. Things seem serious. Both men are carted away. The batsman has to retire hurt. The bowler is also off for the time being.

Time passes.

Three minutes have gone since the hurt batsman has been off the field and the batting team has yet to send a new batsman in. The fielding captain asks, more of a polite query than anything else..."Well, how's that?"

What do you do now?

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Very confusing this one. I am not just able to think in this regard. It has never really happened before so I couldn't make a decision in this regard.

 

[Yash.]

You are officiating in a Test match. The striker plays an on drive, which the bowler attempts to field in his follow through. The batsmen attempt a run, but with the bowler out of place, both him and the striker collide and crash heads. Both fall to the ground. Another fielder runs in and whips the bails off at the non-striker's end and appeals. As the striker has currently not made his ground at the bowling end (which he was running to), you give it out.

But the fielding captain, seeing what has happened, withdraws the appeal from his teammate. Everyone runs to the two downed men, and the fielder apologises to you, saying that the appeal was done in the heat of the moment and he did not realise that the players were seriously hurt. You are satisfied that it is genuine, and so you accept the withdrawal of the appeal. However, there are two hurt players in mid-pitch.

Doctors and physios and team management swarm the field. Things seem serious. Both men are carted away. The batsman has to retire hurt. The bowler is also off for the time being.

Time passes.

Three minutes have gone since the hurt batsman has been off the field and the batting team has yet to send a new batsman in. The fielding captain asks, more of a polite query than anything else..."Well, how's that?"

What do you do now?

I think you have asked this one before. I remember the bolded part.

It is out as the batsman is timed out.

 

[qpeedore]

I might have used the bolded part in another scenario but I'm pretty certain I haven't asked anything like this before.

Well...relatively certain. This thread has been in existence for years. I don't remember EVERYTHING lol.

(EDIT: Loco usually chips in with his opinion as of late, so hoping to see a reply from him. Otherwise I'll answer by tomorrow.)