Pakistan in Australia

[sachinisgod]

well the poor run continues...WA - 404 against Pakistan's 262. Mike Hussey hitting a century and a guy called North getting 79...two days to go...Inzy wake up from ur slumber plz...

 

[rahulk666]

Youhana plays comfortably till 40-50 and then throws away his wicket. he has done that on many occasions. Pakistan and himself should realize that he their best batsman (formwise and experiencewise) and needs to stay at the wicket as long as possible. If inzi, youhana or Butt have a 150-200 run partnership then the matches will be really exciting.

Shoaib and Sami too have a job to do and I feel they will up to it. Shoaib just needs a start to get himself going. A bad start by him almost always results in him losing his rhythm and consequently his line and length. Sami is very underrated bowler and has a chance to show the world what he is capable of.

Even if Aussies winning this series is in the back of my mind I think that Pak have some real surprises in store for us.

 

[sachinisgod]

so the indications pointed in the right direction after all...anyway Melbourne shouldn't be this bad...btw this (72 all out) is the second least total for Pakistan...4 of the least have been scored against Aussies...good luck to them for Boxing Day...

 

[durrani1]

atleast those who said agaisnt Akhtar are going to shut their mouths.Sachin

 

[sachinisgod]

what is the use of these wickets coming in one match when u can't first of all win it and secondly cannot play in the next one or two matches...dude if wickets were the only thing that mattered then why did these guyz come up with stats like averages and strike rates...but u don't understand them do u???

anyway i salute ur frantic positiveness...always lookin at something good...even when it comes from the worst team member...

 

[fardin]

after what i have seen i think i would agree with sachin and shahid the reason being pakistan batting line up is totally unpredictable although i support shoiab akhtar and he has performed really well but it wasnt enough to beat aussie's and what a wonder full batting by langer out scoreing pakistan but it is alright i guess there is bad time's and good time's.

 

[durrani1]

wht can we do with pak batting, wht will be the changes in the next match.Akhtar will going to play next match and INSHALLAH he will distroy the aussii batting line up like house of cards.Batting is a key and pitches are not suited for Asian players

 

[shahid6995]

Fardin you didnt understand what Sachin and I were saying about Shoaib, and Durrani, you should really go and learn what cricket is before opening your mouth.
There is no point whatsoever in Shoaib getting 3-4 wickets in a 5 over spell because he does not have the heart or the stamina or the body to go more than 5 overs at a time. All the top bowlers sustain their hostility over much longer spells but Shoaib breaks down more frequently than any other bowler in history. And he refuses to do anything about it because he thinks only about himself, never about Pakistan cricket. Thats why even though I admit he is a good and very fast bowler IN THOSE FIVE OVERS, I would kick him out immediately in the overall interest of the team.
Imran Khan just recently said about Shoaib that at Shoaib's age, he (Imran) used to bowl all day long, and we all saw that ourselves. Prime example being the 1978 and the 1982-3 series against India in Pakistan, he was our only notable fast bowler and we could always depend upon Imran to bowl flat out for long periods of time. After having seen "real" great bowlers like Wasim, Waqar and Imran in action, who always put the team first and never once acted like prima-donnas (okay, maybe Wasim was a bit of one but he still was great for the team...) I really have no sympathy for the antics of this spoiled brat called Shoaib.
You all saw what happened after lunch when our dear old Shoaib and Sami were too "tired"... Australia was let off the hook after being 70-odd with 5 down. So I ask again, what is the point of having someone like that in the team?

wht can we do with pak batting, wht will be the changes in the next match.Akhtar will going to play next match and INSHALLAH he will distroy the aussii batting line up like house of cards.Batting is a key and pitches are not suited for Asian players

Can you at least make a coherent argument?

 

[rahulk666]

I feel bad for Inzamam. he is a wonderful and humble guy. His couteousness towards Indian players when India went to Pakistan was amazing!

Inzamam leads a bunch where the rift between players is apparent. He lacks the skill to control his players. To win a match all the players have to be on same page. Inzi - Shoaib, Inzi -Younis Khan rivalry is again splitting this Pakistan team. Some of the shots their batsmen played in the first test were atrocious. It seemed as if they don't care what happens to the test match. Pakistan needs a captain like Imran Khan... a captain who can fill fear in you yet give you the encouragement and support you need... (kinda like a strict mom... she scolds you... sometimes even terrifies you but takes good care of you and helps you be a better person)... Why not bring Imran Khan as the coach of Pakistan team... Imran Khan can dream of being PM of Pakistan... why does he not step up and take charge of this Pakistan team... If he does this Pakistan team can destroy their opponents.

Fardin you didnt understand what Sachin and I were saying about Shoaib, and Durrani, you should really go and learn what cricket is before opening your mouth.
There is no point whatsoever in Shoaib getting 3-4 wickets in a 5 over spell because he does not have the heart or the stamina or the body to go more than 5 overs at a time. All the top bowlers sustain their hostility over much longer spells but Shoaib breaks down more frequently than any other bowler in history. And he refuses to do anything about it because he thinks only about himself, never about Pakistan cricket. Thats why even though I admit he is a good and very fast bowler IN THOSE FIVE OVERS, I would kick him out immediately in the overall interest of the team.
Imran Khan just recently said about Shoaib that at Shoaib's age, he (Imran) used to bowl all day long, and we all saw that ourselves. Prime example being the 1978 and the 1982-3 series against India in Pakistan, he was our only notable fast bowler and we could always depend upon Imran to bowl flat out for long periods of time. After having seen "real" great bowlers like Wasim, Waqar and Imran in action, who always put the team first and never once acted like prima-donnas (okay, maybe Wasim was a bit of one but he still was great for the team...) I really have no sympathy for the antics of this spoiled brat called Shoaib.
You all saw what happened after lunch when our dear old Shoaib and Sami were too "tired"... Australia was let off the hook after being 70-odd with 5 down. So I ask again, what is the point of having someone like that in the team?

Shahid I just disagree with you on a small point. you say that Aus was let off the hook after lunch when they were 70-5. But you forget the point that they were 70-5 for the fact that Sami and Shoaib bowled their hearts out before lunch. Had shoaib and sami bowled with less energy who knows... Aus might have gone into lunch at 85-90 without a wicket (and we very well know what happens when Aus get a decent opening partnership).

I have no comments to make whether Shoaib is spoilt brat or not... I don't know whether he will be able to generate the same hostility with a short run-up (although I feel he should atleast try bowling with short tun-up in nets... rather than just dismissing the whole idea of shortened run-up). All I want to say is that Shoaib is a good bowler and Pak should atleast thank him for getting the wickets in morning on first day... instead of calling him a spoilt brat and throwing brick bats at him...

And nobody seems to be talking about Pakistan's batting... How can you inspire your bowlers to bowl to their hearts out when they see their batsmen not applying themselves, playing horrible shots and not being able to score more runs than a single person has scored for the opposition (1st innings Langer: 191 Pak: 179... 2nd Innings Langer:97 Pak:72)

 

[shahid6995]

I agree Rahul, I was not trying to defend the batsmen by blaming Shoaib. The sad part is that even with all the bad point I have about Shoaib, he is one of the two or three world-class players we have. Only Inzimam and maybe maybe Youhana are capable of playing at the top class level, otherwise no one else is really good enough. Where's the blame? I dont know. Maybe its the way cricket is run in Pakistan. I really dont have an answer for that. With this same system in place we were able to produce players like Majid, Zaheer, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Qadir, Miandad, Bari... I dont know how.
I do however agree that bringing Imran on as a coach or manager or in some capacity to work with the team will do wonders for us. However, given what is going on right now with woolmer, I have no doubt that instead of gelling together as a unit, there would be more of a possibility of there being a player revolt led by Shoaib first of all against Imran. Secondly, our dear media, the newspapers, the so-called experts, and everyone else with any sort of vested interest (I am sorry to include Miandad in this) will leave no chance to rip the team to shreds just for the sake of blowing their own trumpet. Its just an overwhelmingly sad state of affairs.
And as far as Pakistan letting Australia off the hook after 70/5, my point about Shoaib was that we need someone who can sustain that hostility for more than 5 overs.. but I see what you mean... at least he got us that far. The second beef I have with Shoaib is that time and again he has given us ample reason to believe that he is only and only playing up to his image as the "most wonderful fastest bowler in the world!!!!", amazing people like Durrani here who cant look beyond the hype and see all the times that he has let us down tremendously. Just two examples.. the beating he took from Tendulkar and co. in the world cup, and the most recent egregious example being his conduct in the Rawalpindi Test against India. This has nothing to do with him being a worthy cricketer, but its more of a question of him being a worthy team member.
By the way, a good example of what I am talking about of people's and "experts" attitude in Pakistan cricket is all the articles by the guy called Waheed Khan in The News. I dont know what supernatural power made him God but his articles are only and only filled with negative comments and hatred about the Pakistan team, no matter who is in charge or who is winning or losing. If anyone wants to check him out its at http://jang.com.pk/thenews/ He usually has an article about every other day in the sports section.

 

[rahulk666]

I agree Rahul, I was not trying to defend the batsmen by blaming Shoaib. The sad part is that even with all the bad point I have about Shoaib, he is one of the two or three world-class players we have. Only Inzimam and maybe maybe Youhana are capable of playing at the top class level, otherwise no one else is really good enough. Where's the blame? I dont know. Maybe its the way cricket is run in Pakistan. I really dont have an answer for that. With this same system in place we were able to produce players like Majid, Zaheer, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Qadir, Miandad, Bari... I dont know how.
I do however agree that bringing Imran on as a coach or manager or in some capacity to work with the team will do wonders for us. However, given what is going on right now with woolmer, I have no doubt that instead of gelling together as a unit, there would be more of a possibility of there being a player revolt led by Shoaib first of all against Imran. Secondly, our dear media, the newspapers, the so-called experts, and everyone else with any sort of vested interest (I am sorry to include Miandad in this) will leave no chance to rip the team to shreds just for the sake of blowing their own trumpet. Its just an overwhelmingly sad state of affairs.
And as far as Pakistan letting Australia off the hook after 70/5, my point about Shoaib was that we need someone who can sustain that hostility for more than 5 overs.. but I see what you mean... at least he got us that far. The second beef I have with Shoaib is that time and again he has given us ample reason to believe that he is only and only playing up to his image as the "most wonderful fastest bowler in the world!!!!", amazing people like Durrani here who cant look beyond the hype and see all the times that he has let us down tremendously. Just two examples.. the beating he took from Tendulkar and co. in the world cup, and the most recent egregious example being his conduct in the Rawalpindi Test against India. This has nothing to do with him being a worthy cricketer, but its more of a question of him being a worthy team member.
By the way, a good example of what I am talking about of people's and "experts" attitude in Pakistan cricket is all the articles by the guy called Waheed Khan in The News. I dont know what supernatural power made him God but his articles are only and only filled with negative comments and hatred about the Pakistan team, no matter who is in charge or who is winning or losing. If anyone wants to check him out its at http://jang.com.pk/thenews/ He usually has an article about every other day in the sports section.

My whole point is that Pakistan should not look at Shoaib Akhtar as a bowler who will bowl 30-35 overs a day. Shoaib can bowl in burst of 5-7 overs perhaps taking 1-3 wickets. Pakistan need to look up to other bowlers who can keep the pressure on the batsmen. People like Sami, Kaneria, Razzaq should try to sustain the pressure exerted by Shoaib's 2-3 quick wickets.

Also at this point bowling is not the main concern for Pakistan. Langer played magnificiently for the Aussies and that turned the tide against Pakistan. Take out his scores and Aussie scorecard looks mediocre. Pak has Youhana, Inzi and even Younis khan who are capable of playing such huge knocks (they have done that before). If even one or two of these guys play a huge knock they will succeed in tiring the Aussie attack and other batsmen can chip in with useful partneships. Look at the scorecards of the test series when India went to Australia, there are several 200-250+ run partnerships. You need such kinda partnerships to put Australia under pressure especially when playing in Australia.

Everybody is riduculing Pakistan's 72 all out but they don't realize that even if Pak would have played out of their skins, still they would not have won the match.

 

[shahid6995]

Everybody is riduculing Pakistan's 72 all out but they don't realize that even if Pak would have played out of their skins they would not have won the match.

Everything you said seemed to make sense somewhat until you said the last line... that just doesnt make sense to me....

 

[indiancricketer]

yes Sachinisgod is right this is about pakistan v.s aus not india v.s paki and shoib akthar is a illegal blower who chucks and it has been proven and we can easly kill pakistan.... if india wasn't able to beat aus i highly think pakistan stands no chance of winin the series ethier

 

[shahid6995]

we can easly kill pakistan....

try to keep it civil.. you sound like a racist nationalistic idiot talking like that..watch how you say things ok?

 

[fardin]

Everything you said seemed to make sense somewhat until you said the last line... that just doesnt make sense to me....

so you think everything you say does make sense?