Pick your England team for the first test next summer

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Steven Finn's figures so far this season have been pretty good so it seems as if his confidence is coming back. I'd pick Finn over Roland-Jones anyday simply because...PACE.

I agree on Finn over Roland-Jones, I'm just in two minds about bringing Finn back. We know the Sri Lankans will struggle a little against our seamers so it would be a good morale boost for him if he does well, but is it worth exposing him to the management that put him where he is now so soon?
 
Alastair Cook :c:
Sam Robson
Ian Bell
Joe Root
Gary Ballance
Ben Stokes (or Woakes)
Moeen Ali
Adam Wheater/James Foster :wk:
Chris Jordan
Stuart Broad
James Anderson

Thoughts?
 
Alastair Cook :c:
Sam Robson
Ian Bell
Joe Root
Gary Ballance
Ben Stokes (or Woakes)
Moeen Ali
Adam Wheater/James Foster :wk:
Chris Jordan
Stuart Broad
James Anderson

Thoughts?

I wouldn't have either of those two as wicketkeeper, It's either got to be Prior or Buttler. Also i'd drop Bell down to 4 and Bring Ali up to 3. If the selectors still don't think Finn is ready to return then Stokes should get the nod.
 
By the sounds of things, Prior is still struggling with his achilles. And frankly I'd rather have Michael Bates than Jos Buttler. While I fully approved of him getting a chance for the limited overs teams, I think he has justified none of the faith shown in him since then.

Looking at keeping options, it's a pretty odd landscape:
- Matt Prior (achilles injury)
- Jos Buttler (heir-apparent, but doesn't look up to it yet to me)
- Jonny Bairstow (not a good enough gloveman, not a good enough batsman)
- Gareth Roderick (looks up to it, but messed up his hand)
- Ben Brown (perhaps an interesting call for the future?)
- Steve Davies (would be in the hunt if he hadn't just given up the gloves at Surrey)
- Adam Wheater (my personal pick as the most promising of the rest)
- James Foster (did you see him stump Tom Fell recently?)
 
Has Roderick been unlucky with injuries or is he injury prone? I would love to see a pure WK like Bates get a chance, but in this era, you need to be a very good batsman as well.
 
If they were picking it on ability, it should be Kieswetter. Sure, he's not the best gloveman, but he's better than the likes of Buttler and a decent enough batsman at that level too.

It will be either Buttler or Prior though, for sure.

Kerrigan should be in the side as the spinner. I don't see the need to pack the batting against Sri Lanka. Sure, their spinner could cause problems, but we have to back the 5 or 6 specialist batsmen to do the job, in my opinion.
 
Some interesting points made by one the selectors with regards to the balance of the side & the keeper position. I'm a fan of James Foster, so nice to see that he is in their thoughts.

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Mick Jewell said:
He identified the wicketkeeper's position and the debate over replacing Graeme Swann as the spinner in the side as the biggest of the immediate challenges.

"Swanny not being around is one of the biggest headaches," he said. "Are you going to pick an out-and-out spinner, in which case you go for the best spinner, or is there a balance of team to be had? If your spin bowler is a batsman of quality, such as Moeen Ali or Samit Patel, and you have an allrounder such as a Stokes or Chris Woakes or Ravi Bopara type, then the wicketkeeper could come in as low as eight.

"The 'keeper situation is massive. If you are going to have high-quality seam bowling you want to have a good man behind the pegs. There are two camps of keeper - there is the Kieswetter, Buttler, Bairstow group and there is the Foster, Read group, more the old-school wicketkeeper. I watched Foster last week and he was terrific. There will be an interesting debate there.

If we accept that we have no good test spinner & utilize Ali/Root as top 6 batsmen to bowl spin & Stokes as the 4th seamer batting @ # 7 - then Foster certainly could fit into the side better @ # 8 - than more batting dominant keeper bats like Prior/Kieswetter/Buttler/Davies
 
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Some interesting points made by one the selectors with regards to the balance of the side & the keeper position. I'm a fan of James Foster, so nice to see that he is in their thoughts.

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If we accept that we have no good test spinner & utilize Ali/Root as top 6 batsmen to bowl spin & Stokes as the 4th seamer batting @ # 7 - then Foster certainly could fit into the side better @ # 8 - than more batting dominant keeper bats like Prior/Kieswetter/Buttler/Davies

it is a very interesting debate, im also glad samit is in the mix although that may just be his notts connection

for me id love to see finn back but i think he will benefit from the time away, jordan will be picked and like beefy says if he could work on his run up. he could be up there with the greats of english cricket as he hits a long ball as well.

so the decision is really on the wk position and they then choose accordingly, if proior is fit i think he plays batting 6, with stokes/woakes at 7, jordan 8 broady and anderson plus 1 probably a spinner, but this doesnt look very likely, with the weather and time running out

bairstow is like a prioir lite and they clearly rated him as a batsmen highly enough, although that nest has flown, unofrunatley i dont see him fitting into this team as a pure wk or batting wk neither is good enough

i think in the end this summer the wk will be batting at 8 with jordan 9 and broady then jimmy, which is an awful lot of batting , however if that is the case then im not sure its a straight fight between foster and read (although i beleive foster has to be given a go) i just think it will be buttler as they may see 8 as a nice place to bring him in at , and especially with spin being less important his keeping which generally good to the quicks whilst questionable up to the stumps, his keeping frailities may be less noticeable, and if he continues his imporovement he can certainly be the long term heir to prior, as he can bat long as well as his fleeting fc form this year can testif he has got hard runs for lanky

the next decision is then root bell condurum, they bith seem to want to bat 4, and for roots sake they need to give him a position and let him stick this is however complicated by the wk situation as if long term the wk will be batting 8, as woakes/stokes seeming to be vying for the 7 slot and long term this gives excellent balanace to our team, ( at least until a spinner of note comes up-imo this maybe a while nobody is tearing up the cc ala ajmal and patel), then he could be a viable 6 long term but if that is the case they may look at the like s of morgan as a attacking player, and then complicated by the ali/patel choice, i am presuming bell bats 4(he does that for the bears even when trott is absent), ali bats 3 for worcs but patel is a 6 at best .

It is also looking like carberry isnt going to get another crack with hales being called up and waiting in the wings for the odis when you would thought carbs was the automatic replacemenet, so everyone seems to be saying robson, and i defer to the judgement, i have not seen enough of him to assess, but his scores suggest he can cut it.
And ballance looks a shoe in for 5.

so my team based on what we think is remoletly fasible(therefore ruling out bopara as a proper allrond prospect in red ball) would be
1.cook
2.robson
3.ali
4.bell
5.ballance
6.root
7.woakes/stokes
8.foster
9.jordan
10.broad
11.jimmy

The woakes stokes debate should only be of benefit to england long term as bith have the ability to be proper all rounders although no there yet

for me the next cabs off the rank would be
taylor-been treated very badly clearly has the ability to score runs at this level, should have gone in for goood years ago imo and would have been a regular

morgan-attacking batsmen also one of the few viable captain alternatives for cook

buttler- as per above

finn-just needs more time

plunkett-seems to be returning to the promise he once had

then the group of promosing ypung bowlers like meaker, overton(s)

spin cupboard seems bare i think borthwick has the x factor but he needs to ove counties to bowl regularly, playing for durham will hurt his international prospects unless he does a steve smith and becomes a proper batsmen (its a possibilty- but i dont think hed make the international team as a batter alone)
 
@dp458Top post, generally agree with basis of your line-up, just a few side points.

Stokes is pretty much assured as the # 1 all-rounder once fit. Woakes really is not competition for him.

Woakes for me to date looks like the procession of average county quick bowling all-rounders that played for England in tests between Botham retirement to the emergence of Craig White & later Flintoff such as; David Capel, Chris Lewis, Ronnie Irani, Mark Ealham, Rikki Clarke, Mike Watkinson, Hollioke bro (RIP Ben).

Think Compton should be their somewhere, he is the perfect # 3 replacement for Trott.

Borthwick is horrible really, don't know what the selectors saw in him to take him to AUS & give him test cap. He made past average test leggie such as Ian Salisbury & Chris Schofield look like world beaters.
 
@dp458Top post, generally agree with basis of your line-up, just a few side points.

Stokes is pretty much assured as the # 1 all-rounder once fit. Woakes really is not competition for him.

Woakes for me to date looks like the procession of average county quick bowling all-rounders that played for England in tests between Botham retirement to the emergence of Craig White & later Flintoff such as; David Capel, Chris Lewis, Ronnie Irani, Mark Ealham, Rikki Clarke, Mike Watkinson, Hollioke bro (RIP Ben).

Think Compton should be their somewhere, he is the perfect # 3 replacement for Trott.

Borthwick is horrible really, don't know what the selectors saw in him to take him to AUS & give him test cap. He made past average test leggie such as Ian Salisbury & Chris Schofield look like world beaters.


Tbh i am not old enough to have seen some of those all rounders, ive seen clarke for warwickshire, and to me he looks like you said a solid county all rounder, woakes definately has something about him, from having watched him for the bears, but as beefy would say stokes has the mongrel. Agree at the moment that stokes is #1 but woakes would offer something slightly different if his form dropped and the replacement would not impact the team balance too greatly. Which imo means woakes goes on tours as a spare bowler/all rounder, to prevent a early 2000 flintoff issue of the all rounder keeping his place just purely because he is an allrounder.

COmpton i agree with you he is perfect for 3, however i didnt include him as i really dont see the selectors going with him. But it would make sense as otherwise its a bits and pieces selection at 3

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Again borthwick i havent seen much of the warks durham games have happened to eother not be on tv or when i cant get down there, but for me too many good judges have said he has something to dismiss it out of hand. Although to go to a football refernce many said the same of the young m.city team of like 6 years ago(swp, barton,ireland,johnson) and due to lack of wise career moves and grit they have gone into obscority/never reached the heights that they seemed destined for

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And with Woakes, i maybe looking through rose tinted glasses as hes a bear, and from brum (ive played against both his old school and club), so it maybe a case of me wanting him to better than he is, hiwever i dont think that is the case, just check out those stats and compare to the others you mentioned and he blows them out of the water, whilst all b eing div1
 
Tbh i am not old enough to have seen some of those all rounders, ive seen clarke for warwickshire, and to me he looks like you said a solid county all rounder, woakes definately has something about him, from having watched him for the bears, but as beefy would say stokes has the mongrel. Agree at the moment that stokes is #1 but woakes would offer something slightly different if his form dropped and the replacement would not impact the team balance too greatly. Which imo means woakes goes on tours as a spare bowler/all rounder, to prevent a early 2000 flintoff issue of the all rounder keeping his place just purely because he is an allrounder.

COmpton i agree with you he is perfect for 3, however i didnt include him as i really dont see the selectors going with him. But it would make sense as otherwise its a bits and pieces selection at 3

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Again borthwick i havent seen much of the warks durham games have happened to eother not be on tv or when i cant get down there, but for me too many good judges have said he has something to dismiss it out of hand. Although to go to a football refernce many said the same of the young m.city team of like 6 years ago(swp, barton,ireland,johnson) and due to lack of wise career moves and grit they have gone into obscority/never reached the heights that they seemed destined for

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And with Woakes, i maybe looking through rose tinted glasses as hes a bear, and from brum (ive played against both his old school and club), so it maybe a case of me wanting him to better than he is, hiwever i dont think that is the case, just check out those stats and compare to the others you mentioned and he blows them out of the water, whilst all b eing div1

On the Stoke vs Woakes argument I think that Stokes should get the nod (if fit) simply due to being the only ray of sunshine in Australia.

I know the logic that that tour was a unmitigated disaster and one good performance doesn't a test cricketer make and all that but at the same time he stuck his hand up and said "this isn't too bad". He gritted out some incredibly tough situations and came out the other side with his reputation enhanced, probably the only England player to do so. During the coming year or so England are going to face difficult situations and if he can continue to dig in then that is good for the team.
 
On skysports this morning, According to dailymail's Paul Newman who broke the Flintofff return story before it was officially announced, James Foster has a very good chance of making the 1st test team.
 
That'd be a fairytale story. The one I'm hearing a lot about is Craig Kieswetter
 
I think Buttler would be a decent pick as a sort of out of the blue batting pick, in that he's a guy who will be aggressive down the order, much like they picked Morgan for a few years back. But I agree, his keeping is no where near good enough for Test match cricket.
 

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