Puddle Mafia 03 - Endgame

[Manly]

Ahoyhoy I have a new role!

 

[Abhas]

Sorry guys I was out for most of the day..
Not really sure about the Aditya thing, but I'm not pleased with Zhuorb's claim of miller. Firstly, he's claimed it under no pressure, but intense suspicion. Maybe he thought he was investigated, and being mafia, instantly thought best to claim miller.
If indeed he is the miller though, there was absolutely no need to claim at this point of time. It just gives the mafia a clear run at their targets, the people with power roles.
Out of 11, 1 has been killed, 2 have revealed their roles, and with probably 3 mafia, it makes us 5 remaining with hidden roles. In the writeups, there are clearly atleast 3 roles mentioned, making it much easier for the mafia to decipher the people with the roles.

That said, I believe he might be mafia, and I'd like to place a lynch on him to get more insights..
Lynch: Zhuorb

Oh and great to see thedon and Manly filling up for the inactive positions!

 

[puddleduck]

Vote Count

User2010 (1) - Aditya
Zhuorb (2) - Barmyarmy, Abhas
Aditya (2) - thedon, User

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Manly]

I'm still not convinced User isn't at least a SK... I'd be more inclined to put some more pressure on him and see if he lets something slip; if I were in his shoes I'd also lie low for the night, as a second death would have been the nail in his coffin, so to speak.


Aside from that, the claim of Miller so early obvious does us more harm than good, and for that reason I'd be inclined to Lynch Zhuorb off.
Any thoughts anyone? Let's see if I can survive Night this time!

 

[BKB1991]

Since the two people we are looking at Zhuorb and Aditya I will give you my views on them.

Aditya - Pretty straightforward normal game so far. But when he is usually mafia, he does tend to over defend himself, which he sort of did this time around cant be sure.

Zhuorb - tbh I can understand why Zhuorb claimed miller, he knew he isnt good at defending himself and the pressure is just going to pile on him. Claiming his role now then claiming when hes under the hammer. Although I think hes a miller, his death will clear out the existence of a cop.

Since most of you guys have got Zhuorb locked out, I will lynch: Aditya to explore another angle and ensure the discussion isnt one-sided. Not convinced on any of them just yet

 

[thedon5]

I'm not sure convinced at all by Zhuorb's claim. I'm not sure how on Earth he could expect the Cop to have investigated him last night, hell, even in the write up the only possible mention of the cop seemed to suggest that the Cop got a negative result.

Very strange behaviour to me, but I'll let my lynch on Aditya stand.

 

[puddleduck]

Vote Count

User2010 (1) - Aditya
Zhuorb (2) - Barmyarmy, Abhas
Aditya (3) - thedon, User, BKB

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

[Sedition]

Manly is viewing this thread so I assume he has replaced pallu.

Aditya, your post immediately counter-attacks me. I don't find that something extremely towny. You seem to be afraid that we're inching closer towards you. I'd rather believe you're mafia if you don't do anything helpful.

What I said, thedon5 is town because he came into the day with a lynch. What kind of mafia would just come in and lynch someone, bringing immediate attention on himself?

I claimed because I'm pretty sure the cop will investigate me tonight. I'm un-counter claimed till now, so that confirms me as miller.

FOS:Aditya

Abhas needs to come back and say something. Also, I feel that we should be mass-claiming tomorrow, just to narrow down on the mafia.

For some reason I find your paragraphing on this occasion a bit suspicious, since you don't tend to post like that. Almost like you want to make sure that you don't forget certain points that you want to make about others. Dunno, could be nothing, but just seems out of the norm.

It's hard to tell with thedon atm, but being his first game, it's possible that he got a bit overeager in trying to get someone lynched. On the other hand, I was throwing lynches around in my first couple of games too as town, so I can't draw any conclusions either way at this stage.

Not sure why you'd be pretty sure that the cop would target you tonight, unless you're paranoid about looking the scummiest so far. On one hand there's Aditya looking a bit dodgy, and then there's people that investigate the most townlike players to confirm that they can be trusted. And as for being confirmed Miller because no one has CC'd, that might be true if we knew that there is a Miller in the game.

I'm still not convinced User isn't at least a SK... I'd be more inclined to put some more pressure on him and see if he lets something slip; if I were in his shoes I'd also lie low for the night, as a second death would have been the nail in his coffin, so to speak.


Aside from that, the claim of Miller so early obvious does us more harm than good, and for that reason I'd be inclined to Lynch Zhuorb off.
Any thoughts anyone? Let's see if I can survive Night this time!

Yeah I definitely wouldn't have attempted the kill if I was in User's shoes last night after taking so much heat yesterday. It would've been a good opportunity for the actual SK if it's not User and has been included though, as an attempt to frame him. So I'm inclined to think it's either not present, or is indeed User.

For now though my suspicions are still heavily on Zhuorb and User, and Aditya might be worth an investigation, but I still see him more as paranoid town than bad mafia, especially since I don't think he's a bad player.

FOS: Zhuorb & User2010

 

[Gaurav_7]

I am not going to go on and defend myself when it isn't needed. I am not a SK. Period. Why would one claim a survivor when there is every chance of an actual survivor being there? It is pretty straight forward. I can't do much when some of you can't see the obvious. I have also seen Sedition subtly defending Aditya. Not sure what to make of that. All Aditya has done is use some unnecessary facepalms..

As far as Zhuorb's claim is concerned, it can be anything. He may well be an actual miller who claimed now so that people don't directly lynch him after he claims after being investigated. Or, can also be a mafia. Does the writeup anywhere suggest of a successful cop investigation? On via phone..

 

[thedon5]

The write-up suggested that there may be a cop, and that if there was one, they received a negative result. So there was no real way that Zhuorb could deduce that he was investigated last night. Even though he believes he was investigated.

 

[Aditya]

Let's get some perspective here. When I defend myself, others say that I'm being too defensive. When I don't defend myself, others say I'm playing a quiet game. In this game, I tried to defend myself but tried to keep it short and simple, however that too wasn't good enough. BKB says that even in this game, I've perhaps over defended myself, where? Considering how big my defense usually is, I don't see the point.

The Don is new to this game so I cannot really judge his play. However, he has posted about how he is unimpressed with Zhourb's play, 2nd time now? But still, he persists with my lynch which is least to say, unsubstantial. Great going..

User, that's correct. All I'm doing is posting unnecessary face palms. Jeez, your claim is absolutely suspicious, your play has been weird and tell me if you will, what's really bothering you about my play? My consistent persistence on lynching you or my posts with face palms or something else. What's really your motive for lynching me?

And all of you, saying that you understand Zhourb's claim of miller at this point of the game, is beyond me. If at all he was worried about a cop investigation and wanted to claim. Why didn't he do so on day 1? Who was it, Colin if I'm not wrong, who claimed miller straight on day 1 in one of the earlier games and that I guess benefited him. Apart from User, it has to be Zhourb whose starting to look suspicious..

Now what has pallu got to do here?

And, what more do I have to say? Whatever I have posted you still haven't read it seems and just defended yourself when I went for you. Really suspicious of you.

Unlynch
Lynch: Aditya

^User's post where he lynches me, on day 1.

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2391012-post178.html

^My posts where I lynch User, on day 1.

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You guys can decide whose lynching whom for no reasons and whose actually making sense.

 

[Gaurav_7]

My claim is suspicious now..

Tbvh, lynching me now will be foolish on town's part. You have lost a DV and now wasting a lynch me wouldn't be a wise call. I have nothing against you, Aditya. My role is such I don't care whoever stays alive as long as I survive and 1 of the sides win. So, as I have been saying, town can usey vote to their benefit. Apllies only if you are town though..

 

[Varun]

Abhas needs to come back and say something. Also, I feel that we should be mass-claiming tomorrow, just to narrow down on the mafia.

Again, I have no idea whether you're being clever here, or just simply idiotic. It's pointless making decisions about the next day when we're undecided about this day.

I'm much inclined to lynch Zhuorb at this point, only because he game seems weird now. User must strictly be a last resort, unless someone picks something concrete about him being mafia/SK and not survivor. Aditya, after that last post of his I'm not so sure of. Anyway, he gives sensible arguments against Zhuorb.

Lynch: Zhuorb, he needs three more votes, so has time to defend.

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The write-up suggested that there may be a cop, and that if there was one, they received a negative result. So there was no real way that Zhuorb could deduce that he was investigated last night. Even though he believes he was investigated.

Equally likely though that the person pointed out in the writeup was the doc, and there's a cop not mentioned who got a positive result. What about the last line? I don't think he said anywhere he believes he was investigated?

 

[barmyarmy]

Clearly it's better to lynch someone who is suspected mafia rather than confirmed 3rd party. My problem is that "this is just the way Zhuorb plays". I'm then looking at you and Abhas wondering why you're quite so keen to press for the lynch.
I actually happen to believe his miller claim; it would take a very ballsy mafia to claim miller under no real pressure when he might be CCed. To me he's a townie playing poorly. I was watching to see who came along and tried to railroad the lynch.
We've got lynches from you and Abhas and an FOS from Sedition. I don't think any of you believe he's mafia.
I also don't believe that three experienced players would just fall in behind such a weak lynch unless you had ulterior motives.

Unlynch: Zhuorb
FOS: Varun, Abhas and Sedition.

 

[Varun]

No, I'm not jumping on that lynch, and certainly not following any of you. I agreed with Sedition on Zhuorb, because I felt the same. I still don't know if he's mafia or not, and clearly stated with my lynch that I'd like a more reasonable defense from him, and if he already has three votes, wouldn't have lynched him.

And mafia or not, his game is weird. It is always somewhat, that makes making him defend himself all the more important because he can bluff, while most of us cannot.