Puddle Mafia 03 - Endgame

I don't find Sedition suspicious either. Colin, I'm not too sure of. I've agreed with most of the points he has made during the game so if anything he has made some very contributing points, at the same time he has been the one putting pressure on members and perhaps if I dare to say it, I personally have found him a little too aggressive. Abhas, has been helpful with his vital analysis. Varun, again, gives me town vibes. I already gave my views on Manly, User, thedon and Zhourb.
 
I don't find Sedition suspicious either. Colin, I'm not too sure of. I've agreed with most of the points he has made during the game so if anything he has made some very contributing points, at the same time he has been the one putting pressure on members and perhaps if I dare to say it, I personally have found him a little too aggressive. Abhas, has been helpful with his vital analysis. Varun, again, gives me town vibes. I already gave my views on Manly, User, thedon and Zhourb.

As long as you know that with a no lynch today we're both definitely going to get night-killed tonight and tomorrow.
 
Vote Count

Sedition (1) - Barmyarmy
User2010 (2) - Aditya, Abhas
Aditya (2) - User, BKB
Puddleduck (1) - Manly...

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
 
First things first
Unlynch: Aditya

I didnt have any strong reasoning to go after Aditya, but between him and Zhuorb I favoured the latter. I did feel you were overdefending yourself, but you cant really be lynched for that. What matters is, that your roleclaim is solid which until anyone CCs is safe.

I have been keeping an eye on Sedition particularly cause of how he was relentlessly after Zhuorb, whose claim I believed. The fact that his reasoning isnt as strong enough makes me genuinely consider hes a mafia. Whereas everyone at one point or the other have pointed fingers at the other, I genuinely have a feeling that Varun and Sedition are both mafia.

Sedition though is the more likely of the two, hence I will lynch him. Lynch: Sedition

Need more posts from the Don and Manly with their thoughts on other players, and I agree with Abhas's reasoning that User could be a dangerous individual, but at this point we need to get the mafia and I strongly believe that Sedition is mafia. If he does turn out to be one, Varun is likely to be his partner.

Null read on Abhas, he made an "error". The last time he claimed he made one was actually intentional so I am not ruling him out as having a hidden agenda.

but yea I strongly belief that Sedition is mafia
 
Vote Count

Sedition (2) - Barmyarmy, BKB
User2010 (2) - Aditya, Abhas
Aditya (1) - User
Puddleduck (1) - Manly...

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
 
I partially agree which is why I'd like us to try and force a claim out of sedition before the day ends. As has been pointed out the mafia can block the doctor and kill him or me. If we were to lynch one mafia today there's a chance it would be the GF or RB and we could prevent the doctor being blocked.
The mafia are desperate for a no lynch right now. Either that or to divert us back to Zhuorb and User.

That would be very helpful though if you are Mafia as well.

Regardless, this round is looking a tough one. Going back to Zhuorb or User isn't going to help us.

Sedition, got anything to say? I can see you lurking in the thread.
 
First things first
Unlynch: Aditya

I didnt have any strong reasoning to go after Aditya, but between him and Zhuorb I favoured the latter. I did feel you were overdefending yourself, but you cant really be lynched for that. What matters is, that your roleclaim is solid which until anyone CCs is safe.

I have been keeping an eye on Sedition particularly cause of how he was relentlessly after Zhuorb, whose claim I believed. The fact that his reasoning isnt as strong enough makes me genuinely consider hes a mafia. Whereas everyone at one point or the other have pointed fingers at the other, I genuinely have a feeling that Varun and Sedition are both mafia.

Sedition though is the more likely of the two, hence I will lynch him. Lynch: Sedition

Need more posts from the Don and Manly with their thoughts on other players, and I agree with Abhas's reasoning that User could be a dangerous individual, but at this point we need to get the mafia and I strongly believe that Sedition is mafia. If he does turn out to be one, Varun is likely to be his partner.

Null read on Abhas, he made an "error". The last time he claimed he made one was actually intentional so I am not ruling him out as having a hidden agenda.

but yea I strongly belief that Sedition is mafia

Hmm no strong reason to go after Aditya, yet you jumped on the lynch with User, who we know definitely isn't town, and thedon, who placed his lynch in just his third post in the game, when we weren't even sure if he knew what he was doing.

Now jumping on with Barmy despite no previous suspicions, which went from "genuinely considering" that I'm mafia, to a "strong belief" in just that post, all looks like an attempt to draw out another claim.

Considering you were one of the few not wanting to lynch User on Day 1, and like Zhuorb, suggested lynching him later, and you were quick to believe his miller claim, it seems you know more than most of us with regards to their alignment.

I don't know if you and Barmy are working together, certainly seems amateurish to start pushing for a lynch like this if you are, but I'm pretty suspicious of how quick you've come after me once you got Aditya's role on the table.
 
Hmm no strong reason to go after Aditya, yet you jumped on the lynch with User, who we know definitely isn't town, and thedon, who placed his lynch in just his third post in the game, when we weren't even sure if he knew what he was doing.

Now jumping on with Barmy despite no previous suspicions, which went from "genuinely considering" that I'm mafia, to a "strong belief" in just that post, all looks like an attempt to draw out another claim.

Considering you were one of the few not wanting to lynch User on Day 1, and like Zhuorb, suggested lynching him later, and you were quick to believe his miller claim, it seems you know more than most of us with regards to their alignment.

I don't know if you and Barmy are working together, certainly seems amateurish to start pushing for a lynch like this if you are, but I'm pretty suspicious of how quick you've come after me once you got Aditya's role on the table.

Yeah that's a problem I'm having as well with Barmy's recent posts.

If Barmy is indeed mafia it won't go well for us considering the number of people who seem to be following him, basically everyone except for a few.

FOS: Barmyarmy

Oh and trust me, I knew what I was doing when I lynched Aditya;). It was fuelled by genuine suspicion.
 
I don't know if you and Barmy are working together, certainly seems amateurish to start pushing for a lynch like this if you are, but I'm pretty suspicious of how quick you've come after me once you got Aditya's role on the table.

It's pretty simple stuff. I've said I'm not convinced by Aditya but seeing as he's claimed doctor we've got no choice but to keep him alive unless someone counterclaims. It's basic gameplay.
I'd like to remind you that I was "coming after you" before Aditya claimed and that was based partly on your lynch of Zhuorb and partly to your reaction on being examined.

@thedon - I don't want to patronise you because you're new to the game but it takes a while to really get a feel for the direction of a game and being able to read between the lines in a post. At the moment I feel that sedition is trying to use you a bit and play on your inexperience.
What you have to do is reverse your assertion and ask what it means if I'm town and if I'm mafia.
a) mafia - It would mean that I've managed to direct and mis-lead a lot of experienced players and make town players look scummy.
b) town - It would meant that I've picked up on mafia "tells" and other townies have recognised that and supported me.

The most common mafia tell is the "burden of knowledge". It basically comes down to the mafia players knowing they are mafia and others are town and it coming through in their posts. It's very hard as a mafia player to react to events and people in a natural way as you already knew a lot of the information.
I'm saying that sedition "knew" Zhuorb was town so he wasn't looking too hard to reasons not to lynch him. To me that's not the kind of player sedition is normally (unlike someone like Manly who loves both a bandwagon and a hammer ;)).
I've been wrong plenty of times about people in mafia games (as highlander999 would no doubt tell you after I led a lynch on him) but sooner or later you have to start looking for the most plausible explanation.

If I'm mafia then why am I drawing attention to myself rather than trying to keep under the radar? As I pointed out earlier I've actually accused almost every single person playing this game at some point but I base my tells on their reaction.
Right now I've got no idea whether you're town or mafia; always hard to tell with new players. Part of my thinks that if you were mafia (and sedition was) you would be trying to distance yourself from him in case he gets lynched rather than follow his thinking. I think it would be a super-risky strategy for you to simply be agreeing with him if you were mafia. Then again, you've not played before; maybe you don't know any better.

My problem right now is how to avoid getting night-killed. As I said if you make yourself too useful as town you can become a target. If I get night-killed I can't win. Therefore I want us to lynch off the most suspicious player before the day ends. That may at least give me some chance of surviving.

Anyway mega-long post so apologies to anyone who actually took the time to read it.
 
Lol I didn't even see thedon's post when I was writing mine, nor was I addressing him specifically, so saying that I'm trying to use him and play on his inexperience is once again more misinformation. If anyone here is trying to influence him, it was you in that post right there :rolleyes

For some reason you're trying to convince everyone that you're getting targeted tonight and you're worried that Aditya can't protect you, or clarifying if he can again, so what? Whatever protection we have is centred around you, leaving you to kill freely? Meanwhile you're going around attempting to get claims from people so you can plan your kills.
 
It may appear that I am following Sedition, but I am not. Agreeing with a few things someone has to say doesn't mean I am going to blindly follow everything he has said. I have agreed with you numerous times this game as well, though I am clearly not following you. I'm not going to blindly follow anyone as I haven't got any real insight into who else is town. Yeah I know it may be a poor strategy but I don't want to be consistently agreeing with a guy who may be Mafia.

As for you trying to stay under the radar, if anything, that would obviously increase suspicion. It is IMO a good move for you to stay actively posting while guys like User and Abhas barely post. May just be my lack of experience but that's how I feel.

I've just been suspicious of the way people have been following you, again, maybe it's my lack of experience, but who knows. The way BKB has been agreeing with almost everything you've had to say with little evidence on his part is particularly strange to me.

Anyway if I'm being honest I have no idea where we will go from here, very little on which to move forward with.

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Also your insistence on trying to get a claim from Sedition worries me a bit.
 
Maybe its the time of the night, but I really dont follow your post Sedition.

On the part about User - I never really chose a side to this, because I have done the same thing before unsuccessfully and I can see why he did it, but YOUR posts did make sense too and I did kinda agree with your opinion.

Between Zhuorb and Aditya - I generally dont like Adityas play, so whenever he slightly over defends himself I tend to go after him. Over-defending though is a subjective term and another reason I went for him was because I believed Zhuorbs claim and didnt want to lynch him when he was already being applied pressure (preventing pre-mature death + more discussion on others as well). The minute Aditya claimed and was not CC'ed I realized he was telling the truth and hence backed off.

On you - You are one of the better players in the game, so yea I had my eye on you from the start. You kept pressing on Zhuorb when it was getting apparent that he might actually have a plausible explanation. Also, whenever too many people gang up on a newbie/inexperienced player I smell foul play and looking at your previous posts you seem to have engineered the lynch against him. Add to the fact that I believe Zhuorbs claim, it makes you suspect no 1 according to me.

Abhas, thedon, Manly - quite neutral and throughout the game I have asked them to express their opinions

Barmyarmy - I have followed his gameplay and I believe he both are thinking across the same lines in our reasoning against you. This might seem like we both are teaming up, but I simply agree with the logic he has provided.

Leaves Varun who I have felt is slightly leaning towards Sedition.

IF Sedition turns out mafia imo, Varun is pretty much too, and the last one is between the three candidates I have expressed need to post more often.

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just saw the dons post, and yea it may be seem obvious me and Colin are working together, but I am simply following his logic + my own gut feeling on Zhuorb and Sedition.

I think if we both were mafia, Colin would have definitely told me not to openly support him haha
 
I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying I haven't posted enough. I've posted a lot and have expressed my opinions on at least four or five players if not the majority.

I want to see more from Abhas and Manly. Especially Manly, he has been visiting the threads but posting very little. What are your opinions?

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So you are supporting Barmy on gut feeling? Why would you not support Sedition on gut feeling? Is it purely due to the Zhuorb situation? Please explain your opinions further.

It does look very much like you are teaming up. Your reasons for supporting Barmy don't seem very substantial at all, it seems you're supporting him only because he is against Sedition. Still you have not at all satisfied me with your reasons as to why you are following Barmy.

Something may be in that I reckon.
 

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