Puddle Mafia 03 - Endgame

[Varun]

Was out. To be honest, I'm confused now. By this time in Day 2, I'd have wanted us to get a direction which has not happened. I'm happy with the discussion, but I don't want us to just get stuck with User at the end of the day.

 

[thedon5]

Yeah that's a concern. We've been going around in circles and don't look even close to isolating a member of the Mafia.

Do days always take this bloody long?

 

[Varun]

Colin, I don't even care anymore about what anyone else thinks of my claim. I'm telling the truth, you wanna still lynch me, you may do so. You're the one agreeing with BKB, I'm not and hence I want to put some pressure on him. If you ask me, BKB hasn't looked convincing to me. I find Sedition's play more to be of a townie's than of a mafia, of course this could just be me.

You have to. Stop being so stubborn. You know that from our perspective you're not cleared yet, and right now your posts are oscillating between scum-like and town-like. Only that we can't lynch you, as Colin said, because no one has cc'ed and I guess no one will.

 

[Abhas]

Abhas you said you haven't been able to read the game thoroughly, which is fine, no issue with that at all, and you've given decent reasoning for each player in turn, except for me (I can see why you've said neutral/maf, I've not played particularly well and need to step up) and BKB.. You've said there's not much to go on, so why give him a pro-town read? Surely it's only a neutral read? Just something that's got me thinking...

Leaning Neutral/Mafia

Should be read as Neutral/Leaning Mafia, just to clarify.

Sometimes it's about intuition.. Besides, it's only an analysis from my perspective. I may be completely off-track. It is possible, someone I've slated as town is mafia, and is laughing his socks off.

 

[Aditya]

Lol Aditya, the reasoning behind you lynching me is simply because I lynched you? I favoured to lynch you because you were more sus, you seemed to be over defending yourself and I believed Zhuorbs claim. Thats three reasons. Furthermore, everyone seemed to be after Zhuorb, and I wanted to explore a new angle and promote discussion on a different topic. You claimed, no one CC'ed. I believe you for now.

No, I'm lynching you because I'm not convinced by your gameplay. If I was lynching you because you lynched me, I wouldn't have waited this long. BKB, you've mentioned this a several times now, that I was over defensive. I don't think I have been. If you can point out any post where you feel I was over defensive, you'd sound much more convincing. You believed Zhourb's claim, that's fine. However, that's not the point. My point is, you lynched me because you wanted to explore a new angle to the game and you don't like my gameplay, the minute I start being over defensive. I just want you to put forward any post where I was over defensive and I'd understand your earlier lynch.

@Varun - I have to, what? What I've failed to understand all through this game is, what do you guys want from me! I'm no more after User, he's going through a tough phase in his real life and hence we cannot really expect him to be active in this game, can we! I'm trying to move on from User and and trying to explore a new angle. I wont really say that I'm being stubborn, if anything, I'm trying to be more aggressive compared to how I was playing earlier in the game. I've put forward my defense however at the same time I've tried not to be over defensive, I've role claimed, you may believe my role claim/you may not. Totally your call and I wont question you for that, it's just that I've done everything to prove my innocence.

 

[puddleduck]

I was hoping there would at least be a majority of votes for either no lynch or a person, but apparently everyone is still too afraid to actually commit to anything

There is now 28 hours left in the day phase.

 

[thedon5]

Lynch: BKB1991

Bit more pressure.

 

[puddleduck]

Vote Count

Sedition (2) - Barmyarmy, BKB
User2010 (1) - Abhas
BKB (2) - Aditya, thedon

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

There are 26 hours left in the day.

 

[Varun]

@Varun - I have to, what?

Care.

Colin, I don't even care anymore about what anyone else thinks of my claim. I'm telling the truth, you wanna still lynch me, you may do so. You're the one agreeing with BKB, I'm not and hence I want to put some pressure on him. If you ask me, BKB hasn't looked convincing to me. I find Sedition's play more to be of a townie's than of a mafia, of course this could just be me.

 

[ved_]

Gah, I retract my townread on Sedition and thedon5. It does not fall in place right now. I feel they are neutral, now.
FOS: Manly & BKB1991
They seem to have flown under the radar and are occasionally posting just for the sake of it, I believe. The other one, barmyarmy, is being a bit too aggresive at this point of time.

 

[Gaurav_7]

PD, if you want you can mod kill me or get someone else in please. Not in a frame of mind to post anything regarding the game atm.

 

[BKB1991]

Pressure for what? What do I need to clarify Don? I have posted my stance, you can agree or disagree with it. Yea if you have got questions I am here to answer.

Aditya, its not a single post. Its like this: someone just FOS's you and you starting posting why do you think me and all. FOS's are usually based on a persons gut, when they have no strong proof either way. When you sometimes play as a mafia, you tend to try and clear you out all the time even if one person in the whole game just FOS's you. I hardly see the point of discussing this, as no one really wants to lynch, unless you are trying to improve your game?

Varun, what do you think about Sedition? Do you think Colins accusations have some truth in it?


I hope everything works out for you User. I cannot imagine how tough it must be.

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wants to lynch you*

 

[Manly]

Making the best of a clearly awful situation, shall we lynch User off if he's going to be modkilled?


Hope you're ok man, I can't even begin to imagine what you're going through.

 

[puddleduck]

@User - Will potentially try and replace you. Obviously I hope you're ok mate. If can't manage anything by the next night phase may mod kill you before day. See how it goes. Potentially replace you with someone if they die

 

[Varun]

Very unfortunate what has happened User. I hope you hold yourself up in the situation.

i don't know if i can recall a situation where mafia might have fake-claimed with little votes, but like i said, ever since the bkb thing, i've always been apprehensive of millers claiming and referencing cops in the same post.
Any mafia claiming miller would be due to the guilty conscience they are carrying. Bkb "thought" i was the cop and i had investigated him when i was gunning for him, while it was neither.
I felt the exact same in zhuorb's post. Under a series of fos and lynches, he claimed miller, and at the same time he mentioned the existence of a cop. This led me to believe he might actually be mafia.

he claimed it before the foses and lynches. That's important.

Was going through the thread and wanted to point out something here. Before Zhuorb claimed, me and Sedition had talked about him, and you had lynched him. So, Abhas's reasoning might be correct. All of us three could be cops from Zhuorb's perspective, right?

@BKB - I'm still leaning town on Sedition. Have gone back and taken a glance at the thread, and it appears to me that his arguments are honest. But then, I am generally wary of everyone unless there's concrete proof of their being town. I have also considered Colin's accusations (although a lot of them were hurled at me so I have actually asked myself if I am mafia jks), but his reasons don't really seem that reasonable to me. Plausible, but not likely.

I haven't tried to side with Sedition. I have agreed with him (mostly) on the Zhuorb issue, and I don't share his intensity towards Colin either. I'm just trying to look at the all possible options, and right now most of them are confusing or I'm not sure of them.

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*all the possible options