Rugby Union

[Sedition]

Jeez that was a nailbiter last night. One of Argentina's tries should have been disallowed for a foot in touch, but luckily we hit back and they deserved the bonus point anyway.

My prediction of the Wallabies taking the championship doesn't look likely now that I see they're not even going to play a final, and the two Bledisloe cup losses were counted in this competition. It was only last week that they were crapping on about the RC starting, so I figured we'd start fresh.

 

[spooony]

Well we had one tough test against Ireland, but the other two were both one way traffic. You guys were rubbish, so our toughest test to date was last week against Argentina. And the feeling over here is that South Africa will be another step-up from that.

Re the second match tonight, as much as I want Argentina to get up I'm not going to disagree with you, because Australia should get up pretty easily. To say it's obvious though is pretty cocky, considering how they competed with us for 60 minutes last week.



It's hard to tell if you're being serious? If you are have you seen your forward pack? South Africa should deal to you guys at home, and a lot of people over here are picking the Puma's to get their first win against you guys at home.

A kicker who missed everything and NZ on the back foot for 50 minutes SA should have won it but against the World Champs you got to play for 80 and it cost us.

Steyn is standing too deep and we are too predictable. Meyer should have realized it ages when the big oxes gets gang tackled every time...

 

[CG123]

A kicker who missed everything and NZ on the back foot for 50 minutes SA should have won it but against the World Champs you got to play for 80 and it cost us.

Steyn is standing too deep and we are too predictable. Meyer should have realized it ages when the big oxes gets gang tackled every time...

Yeah, Steyn's been shocking through the Championship. His open play is just so predictable, and his place kicking was disastrous against us.

Now that you guys are out you might as well give that youngster a run in the last two games.

 

[spooony]

Yeah, Steyn's been shocking through the Championship. His open play is just so predictable, and his place kicking was disastrous against us.

Now that you guys are out you might as well give that youngster a run in the last two games.

Goosen. He would have gotten a go from the start of the tournament if he was fit. He's got a foot injury so I think he won't be starting on Saturday. But Goosen is something special. He made more line breaks and meters than Steyn in 2 minutes that what Steyn did the whole of the tournament.

We are rebuilding as losing a guy like Matfield, Botha and Fourie Du Preez is not easy to replace. Especially Du Preez as Steyn look heavily exposed and ordinary without him.

I got one thing to say to Robbie Deans. PLAY DIGBY AT 13 ROBBIE!!!!! That Aussie backline will be more potent with him there

 

[CG123]

We are rebuilding as losing a guy like Matfield, Botha and Fourie Du Preez is not easy to replace. Especially Du Preez as Steyn look heavily exposed and ordinary without him.

Yeah, against Australia in Perth 5/8 of your forwards had played only five internationals or less. Now's not a bad time to be doing so though, still three years out from the World Cup.

McCaw's going to take a six month break from the game after the end of year tour, to try and get him through to the World Cup. Love him or hate him you only have to look at the stats after every game he plays, and his workload is phenomenal. To see him being the first chaser after that late penalty attempt against you guys hit the post just sums him up, especially since that South African thug took him out earlier on as well.

 

[spooony]

Yeah, against Australia in Perth 5/8 of your forwards had played only five internationals or less. Now's not a bad time to be doing so though, still three years out from the World Cup.

McCaw's going to take a six month break from the game after the end of year tour, to try and get him through to the World Cup. Love him or hate him you only have to look at the stats after every game he plays, and his workload is phenomenal. To see him being the first chaser after that late penalty attempt against you guys hit the post just sums him up, especially since that South African thug took him out earlier on as well.

haha Hands of Black Seven!!! 9 Distract then McCaw quickly bend the rules

Who's the Thug Bismarck didn't play? What is that NZ word for it aah Enforcer. You had to get Brad Thorn out of semi retirement and impair your line out with a lock useless in it just for Bakkies.

Clearing out a ruck is legal last time I can remember. So maybe he should keep his hands to himself haha

 

[CG123]

haha Hands of Black Seven!!! 9 Distract then McCaw quickly bend the rules

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Who's the Thug Bismarck didn't play? What is that NZ word for it aah Enforcer. You had to get Brad Thorn out of semi retirement and impair your line out with a lock useless in it just for Bakkies.

Clearing out a ruck is legal last time I can remember. So maybe he should keep his hands to himself haha

Are you being serious, did you see that guy clear McCaw out? If you think that was legal, then... South Africa have a reputation of playing dirty, and that guy summed it up. I'm talking about the South African reserve prop btw, he came on for like 20 minutes, got a yellow card and conceded three penalties.

 

[spooony]

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Stats do not tell you anything about a player. But I know Richie is class you do not have to tell me that was only teasing as the Aussies hate him with a passion lol

Are you being serious, did you see that guy clear McCaw out? If you think that was legal, then... South Africa have a reputation of playing dirty, and that guy summed it up. I'm talking about the South African reserve prop btw, he came on for like 20 minutes, got a yellow card and conceded three penalties.

A reputation of playing dirty? You mean Bakkies Botha? He was a enforcer. Like Brad Thorn. We do not play dirtier than NZ we are just stupid enough to do it out in the open. What about Franks? He is probably the one guy from NZ who do not care to hide as it does it almost every game. Then that guy who almost took Kanu's head off in the Super Rugby final and did not even get a yellow?

But you got to admit that sometimes he gets away with murder lol When Ritchie smiles when the referee gives a penalty against him for a professional foul for the four time in the game without a yellow then you would understand why some love to hate him. I personally love him. One of favorite players. Have you seen this yet?

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[CG123]

Haha, at least they're better than the Cheaters and the now gone Lions. Do you think that the new South African team will be able to compete with the main three, or will they just be another Lions/Cats?

 

[spooony]

Haha, at least they're better than the Cheaters and the now gone Lions. Do you think that the new South African team will be able to compete with the main three, or will they just be another Lions/Cats?

The Kings are a team playing in the Currie Cup B section. Most of South Africa hope they get a pummeling because they are included purely because of politics. And everyone hates Luke Watson.

The Lions did not do well but they are a young side and John Mitchell took them to the Currie Cup final and won it. Lions might have ended last but they did not get pummeled at all by any team. They were in financial trouble and this will probably mean they will be doomed.

Problem with our rugby is that we have interference from politicians and have quota's we have to adhere to plus stay competitive. Not to get in the politics but imagine if NZ had a policy that said a certain amount of people of this race group must be fielded or included in the squad no matter if they are good enough or not. You can't do development at a high professional level it needs to be done at school level. But politicians are idiots. That is why Jake White and Nick Mallet left due to political interference. You cannot use affirmative action in sport it would do more damage than good especially for that guy who will stand out like a sore thumb.

As for the Cheetahs. They are the most important region in South Africa. You must remember they do not have big lumps of cash like the Bulls or Sharks and lose half their squad every year to them or their up and coming talent. But they have this attittude young or not give him a chance. They are a team to like the throw the ball around no matter what. Dunno if you can remember that game vs the Canes which they came back from 35 to 7 down I think. They are almost the same as the Canes in terms of the attitude and they are very entertaining. Also both are being coached by hookers haha

But Goosen's two centers who played with him at Grey College where both poached by the Bulls. The Bulls also poached Pollard SA WC U/20 fly half from the Stormers. This year the Bulls have signed almost the entire SA schools team. They have got a huge check book and they can buy whoever they want. Off course they buy some and just let them hang around wasting the talent and sell them to some overseas club. Pollard was on of the stars in the u/20 win and he will get brainwashed by the Bulls and end up standing so deep that you need a bike to reach him if your a flanker and will be as predictable as Steyn and kick every 2nd bloody ball

 

[spooony]

The Goose has made a massive difference so far. Aussie defense on their heels after those 2 breaks and the flat passes

 

[CG123]

That was by far our best performance of the Rugby Championship so far, and the same can probably be said about South Africa. Our backs were just superb, especially that performance from the returning Carter, and Read had massive game as well.

 

[spooony]

That was by far our best performance of the Rugby Championship so far, and the same can probably be said about South Africa. Our backs were just superb, especially that performance from the returning Carter, and Read had massive game as well.

What a difference Goosen and Carter made. The King of 10's who has seen it all done it all and has so much experience and a 19 year old kid who didn't play much rugby in his last school year as he was already playing for the Cheetahs at the age of 18. Both showed their class and both made a massive difference.

Our back line look almost completely different and not that predictable anymore with him standing flat and giving out those flat passes. To think of it it was his first full game at international level and he passed with flying colors. Taute also still a kid and one of the consistent players for the Lions in Super Rugby as Mitchell used him on centre and fullback.

I am just disappointed with all the chances we butchered. I think some of them were so surprised to see some ball that threw a pass to late or ran away from support out of excitement. We should have hammered them 60 -8 haha

But for the Wallabies everything went wrong. Dunno what their game plan was. I am sure practicing defensive drills in a test match wasn't their plan and to forget that you already used up your subs. I mean where is your assistants? Just glad to hear AAC was ok as he was just in Disney Land luckily and not a serious injury.

For NZ vs Argentina game NZ were clever. They notice the Los Pumas defense is a source code taken from NZ's defensive patterns in certain situations. Also they notice that Argentina have a couple of blokes who is on the wrong side of 30 and also a huge forward pack. So they dragged them all over the park that they were later on running on their last legs. Again they did not miss much tackles but this time four of them made tackles on 1 NZ player which left huge gaps all over. Savea pulled in about 4 every time he got the ball Nonu as well. They were out of gas by 60 minutes

 

[CG123]

But for the Wallabies everything went wrong. Dunno what their game plan was. I am sure practicing defensive drills in a test match wasn't their plan and to forget that you already used up your subs. I mean where is your assistants? Just glad to hear AAC was ok as he was just in Disney Land luckily and not a serious injury.

They've had a horrid time of injuries this year, similar to us last year in the World Cup. Our only two major injuries this year have been Kaino and Kahui. While the Kaino one has hurt us a bit since he was so massive during the World Cup, we've just got a production line of quality backs, compared to Australia where they have no depth because of having two superior football codes.

For NZ vs Argentina game NZ were clever. They notice the Los Pumas defense is a source code taken from NZ's defensive patterns in certain situations. Also they notice that Argentina have a couple of blokes who is on the wrong side of 30 and also a huge forward pack. So they dragged them all over the park that they were later on running on their last legs. Again they did not miss much tackles but this time four of them made tackles on 1 NZ player which left huge gaps all over. Savea pulled in about 4 every time he got the ball Nonu as well. They were out of gas by 60 minutes

That's happened in all of their matches so far. I posted something a few weeks ago about how (excluded the test this weekend) they've led the first 60 minutes overall across their first four matches.

 

[spooony]

They've had a horrid time of injuries this year, similar to us last year in the World Cup. Our only two major injuries this year have been Kaino and Kahui. While the Kaino one has hurt us a bit since he was so massive during the World Cup, we've just got a production line of quality backs, compared to Australia where they have no depth because of having two superior football codes.

The out of subs thing is a trick used by Deans all year. Rolland were just too clever for him. All year long Deans would replace his prop early bring on another then fake a injury then bring back the old one who had a breather. Which shows the more technical you make the game the more technical coaches get in circumventing it.

Sure they had injuries but they lost most of the guys before the internationals and manage to beat Wales with it. Cheetahs with and without Goosen looked two different teams. Problem NZ had and you guys been struggling it with for a long time was the right guy for 6. You have tried and tested many and that was the missing part of the jigsaw until you found Kaino. That was a key position and him getting injured in the WC meant you could use only from the group and hope it works out. As you can imagine a guy who played 7 all season playing 6 all of a sudden in the WC final is not going to work out well and Terry had a field day.

I know NZ key positions are 1, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12 and the back three. Over those 3 positions you guys are fuzzy about and its the selection you will spend the most time on until you find the right guys for it. Reason mainly due to the way you guys play. 10 is your pivot. 12 Gets over the game line so you stay flat all the time and cause you are a counter attacking team you want a back three that can rearrange themselves and adjust to kicking teams. You scored most of your tries of counters and this is a no brainer as defenses are UN-organized mostly. That is why we took a dump everytime our tactical kcking were shyt.

Aussies pivot are 9. They lost Genia and no Cooper that why they put Beale at 10. They changed it from 9 to 10. But then again Fourie Du Preez were our pivot we lost him and we played without one up until this game. Goosen is a pivot. You can see the difference Carter made.

Ok they lost Pocock but we lost Burger and Koyolisi.
They lost Genia we lost Du Preez and Goosen were injured.
Rob Horne? Really can you call him a loss? He miss more tackles than a guy playing touch rugby.

This is our squad note the test caps

Willem Alberts (Sharks) - 15 Test caps
Andries Bekker (Western Province) - 27
Craig Burden (Sharks) - 0
Pat Cilliers (Golden Lions) - 3
Marcell Coetzee (Sharks) - 7
Juan de Jongh (Western Province) - 10
Jean de Villiers (captain, Western Province) - 79
Jannie du Plessis (Sharks) - 37
Eben Etzebeth (Western Province) - 6
Johan Goosen (FS Cheetahs) - 2
Bryan Habana (Western Province) - 81
Francois Hougaard (Blue Bulls) - 22
Elton Jantjies (Golden Lions) - 0
Zane Kirchner (Blue Bulls) - 19
Juandr? Kruger (Blue Bulls) - 5
Pat Lambie (Sharks) - 15
Tiaan Liebenberg (Western Province) - 3
Francois Louw (Bath, England) - 12
Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks) - 39
Lwazi Mvovo (Sharks) - 7
Coenie Oosthuizen (FS Cheetahs) - 1
Ruan Pienaar (Ulster, N Ireland) - 58
Jacques Potgieter (Blue Bulls) - 3
Frans Steyn (Sharks) - 53
Morn? Steyn (Blue Bulls) - 41
Adriaan Strauss ( FS Cheetahs) - 16
Jaco Taute (Golden Lions) - 0
CJ van der Linde (Golden Lions) - 73
Flip van der Merwe (Blue Bulls) - 18
Duane Vermeulen (Western Province) - 2

Frans Steyn was out injured. Do I think its depth? No I think the Aussie players have a serious fitness issue because at high altitude they get hammered. 53-8 61-22 same place. Reds went there got hammered 92-3 and 61-8. Maybe they should spent less time in the pubs and on twitter and more time in the gym.

That's happened in all of their matches so far. I posted something a few weeks ago about how (excluded the test this weekend) they've led the first 60 minutes overall across their first four matches.

We were very lenient. We should have scheduled the first game at high altitude and ran in 40 points against them as they would not have lasted 40min.

Just to show what difference high altitude makes remember the game between SA and NZ where Joubert ran in 3 tries? Tana Umaga missing tackles something which is a rare as finding a chicken with teeth. The ball flies 60 meters when you kick it and the air is much thinner. You get tired and dehydrate very quickly which makes it almost look like you have a case of food poisoning