Sachin Tendulkar

[icyman]

well i'm enjoying this topic.
And actually people do rate you on recent performances.
Take for example ,steve waugh.
A few bad odi's saw him dropped from australian team even though he had won the world cup for them.

. I did not watch too much of Sachin's batting in the second session (when his scoring rate slowed down) because I wasn't there or becuase India's scoring rate was much too slow. It was a little appalling, :

1. A huge cricket fan-following (perhaps good for Indian sports)--people cheer when the second wicket falls because Sachin is coming in

2. The fear from the opposition--sure everyone claims that there's nothing in a name but who would you rather play against - Elton Chigambura or Sachin Tendulkar

3. That brilliant googly that stumped Moin Khan...not stumped but stumped his thought processes

4. Leadership
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there you are ,you didnt watch the innings coz india's runrate was falling.
one more thing ,people love watching rahul dravid or laxman play.
They play with some amount of elegance,even though they do play slowly ,not tendulkar......no elegance of any sort.you can rarely call his shots a beauty.

People cheer.....ok
people used to cheer even when kapil dev or gavaskar came out.did'nt they?

you say about the fear....dont worry ,india will have others to take charge.

moin khan getting stumped.....now is that really a thing you would miss...does it happen in every match?

leadership...unheard of from tendulkar

 

[SaiSrini]

well i'm enjoying this topic.
And actually people do rate you on recent performances.
Take for example ,steve waugh.
A few bad odi's saw him dropped from australian team even though he had won the world cup for them.


there you are ,you didnt watch the innings coz india's runrate was falling.
one more thing ,people love watching rahul dravid or laxman play.
They play with some amount of elegance,even though they do play slowly ,not tendulkar......no elegance of any sort.you can rarely call his shots a beauty.

People cheer.....ok
people used to cheer even when kapil dev or gavaskar came out.did'nt they?

you say about the fear....dont worry ,india will have others to take charge.

moin khan getting stumped.....now is that really a thing you would miss...does it happen in every match?

leadership...unheard of from tendulkar

Really?? I heard Tendulkar early on in that innings of 94 played some of his trademark shots and played well with Sehwag. I am sure if he played those trademark shots of his, then that is what you call "beauty".

I agree with leadership. Thats not meant for him. He has to play with out thinking about other things. Already people expect nothing short of a hundred from him everytime he walks out. Leadership is one hell of a big burden!! Good that he has shrugged it off and is not willing to lift it back again

 

[sachinisgod]

well i'm enjoying this topic.
And actually people do rate you on recent performances.
Take for example ,steve waugh.
A few bad odi's saw him dropped from australian team even though he had won the world cup for them.





there you are ,you didnt watch the innings coz india's runrate was falling.
one more thing ,people love watching rahul dravid or laxman play.
They play with some amount of elegance,even though they do play slowly ,not tendulkar......no elegance of any sort.you can rarely call his shots a beauty.

People cheer.....ok
people used to cheer even when kapil dev or gavaskar came out.did'nt they?

you say about the fear....dont worry ,india will have others to take charge.

moin khan getting stumped.....now is that really a thing you would miss...does it happen in every match?

leadership...unheard of from tendulkar

i think u r only trying to incite ppl to answer u...well so be it...we devotees aren't stepping back either...one thing as with gals, cricket shots' beauty is differently perceived by different ppl...to me the best shot of WC2003 was the defensive punch to Akram that sent the ball to the boundary in a flash...u cannot generalise that he doesn't play it beautifully...the fact is that no one can play it like he does...Ganguly can mirror Laxman on the other side of the square...there are techies like Dravid(may be not the same commitment) in other teams...but Tendulkar and I admit Lara are simply unmatcheable in style...u've had Gower and M. Waugh who were at least as fluid in their strokes as Laxman, Ganguly or Dravid...

are u that insensitive that u cannot differentiate the cheer that an Indian crowd gives at the fall of 2nd wicket, from a crowd that cheers when their Dada walks in? it is resoundingly different and if u can't find a difference then my friend is an ENT surgeon...

leadership? well just tell me one thing - why when Kaif's house was stoned...when Indian fans here were going mad in early stages of WC2003, was he chosen to send a message to the nation? not the captain, not the coach, not the manager, not the BCCI President, not the PM and not the President but a 29 year old from Mumbai was chosen to tell his countrymen to behave themselves...coz they had the faith in his childlike voice...the oodles of commitment and faith that voice can convey - no one else's can...thats the leadership of 1 billion dreams...Ganguly is a great captain but he can't command the respiratory processes of a billion with the ease that this mumbaikar can...

india has the talent pool to produce many good batsmen but few will be able to create Everests let alone scale them...they will get the opportunity to showcase their talents but for now they will be happier to sit back and learn from the master himself in action...

and i think u didnt get Sohum's message when he said he stumped moin in Multan...that wicket was a clean bowled by the way...but he stumped his thought processes...it doesn't happen with the regularity with which the runs flow but when it happens it creates waves...i donno ur age but if you had watched him bowl to Brian Mcmillan in 1993 Hero Cup u wouldn't be speaking this foolish garbage...4 runs to win, 6 balls to go, a funny little man who was thought to be a good batsman then walks up to the skipper and snatches the ball away, bowls an over to one of the best allrounders of that time and doesn't give away anything but a single...that's called stumping the brains of the opposition...taking the wickets of Steve Waugh and Damien Martyn with wonderful balls in their own back yard...that's called creating chances for victory...picking up three crucial wickets in the greatest test match of all time...that's called putting the last nail in the coffin...but alas u r too literal-minded to understand all that...

and recent performances u say...scores of 55, 248*, 30, 94 in last four innings...1000+ runs in 11 tests...avg constantly on the rise...and the comparison u r drawing...steve waugh had 15,62, 9,22,30, 7 and 42 to his name - at home, before he retired...do u want me to reiterate Tendulkar's ODI records???

more comparisons will follow...i thank u for starting this thread coz i won't have to start one more to celebrate the 10000 and the 35th ton...

 

[ronnybedi]

Don't put down Sachin!!!

Sachinisgod...I AGREE totally with whatever you said.
Sometimes, its not just about greatness, but about value too. Dravid, Sehwag or Ganguly might be good batsmen but there's broad daylight between Sacin and the others.Period. Its easy to criticise a batsman for playing a slow innings. But i sincerely think that if soemone has to be blamed for turning an easy victory into a stupid draw for India, it has to be the bowlers and not Sachin. The ball was getting old too...it was difficult to time the ball as seen on TV. People are falsely accusing a great man and son of the country with stupid accusations like 'he is past his prime', 'he is not the same anymore'. he is playing for himself. BULL****! Even if he plays for himself, i'll spend any amount of money to go watch him playing... Who would you like to be playing for you if your life depended on it. Ganguly, Sehwag!!, Laxman Lara or Sachin...Think!
Lets leave alone the little man pls. and believe me, he's got some major heart winning innings coming his way...very soon. ANd i request everyone to NOT just say anything that comes to their minds about a hero. A hero is always a hero even if he fails...

 

[sachin]

:sucks:sucks:sucks
Gone nutz or what? 32 and old?

That 241 in Sydney was a GREAT innings...its not easy to curb your instincts for that long...not a single cover drive...and it did not in anyway diminish India's chances of a win...it only enhanced them...there was a sparkling 60 in the second innings too...India did not win coz of Bhajji's absence, Patel's keeping, Bucknor's umpiring and more importantly coz they were faced by Aussies who were not daunted by facing 700 on 3rd morning...any other team would have wilted...

Nobody in the whole world can say that he knows what Sachin was going thru in that second half of 94 of Mohali...coz no one has trodden on that path...35th test century is not a joke...agreed his batting didn't look as beautiful as it has in the past 34 centuries...but i think we can give him a break on that one...and in both cases he had partners for some time who played with a strikerate of 70-80...and the skipper is not commenting on it coz he was the one whose entry induced the slow scoring...and his very very special man couldn't lift it too...

And we easily forget that he has scored more than 1000 runs in last 11 tests that he has played...we easily forget that he was 197* when Dravid declared in Multan and that in noway was a slow innings...we forget the 60 on a pitch which was unplayable for the best team in the world and lifted India to the victory...and we forget the lone stellar performance in Asia cup...the problem is that we easily forget the peaks and always remember the troughs...sad and pathetic...

just coz we live in an age where the fastest double hundred record is clinched thrice in a month or where Sehwag bats as if thats the only session he is gonna get to bat or Gilli invariably lifts his team with a swashbuckling century, we cannot expect every batsmen to follow suit...For 34 centuries and 39 half centuries - for 9973 test runs a man has carried the hopes and expectations of a nation of 100 crore...its fair to say that he has the right to dedicate the 35th ton to himself in the way he pleases and that he has it in him to play as long as he thinks he can

just what i was about to say.awesome post. sachin i :hpraise to you.lol

 

[aditya123]

I totally agreee with all the sachin devotees out here
Let me make one thing clear , when you speak about sachin retiring and things like him being past his best , do not forget tht you are speaking of a cricketer who has carried the burden of Indian batting almost singlehandedly for the past decade or so . Dravid,Laxman , ganguly , sehwag have matured into being matchwinners much much later
If u look at the stats of matches won by India in the period between 1995 to 2002 , invariably you would find that sachin has had a major part to play in those .


Now let me talk about him being his past !! Utter Nonsense
He has become increasingly consistent in th ODI arena , He was the Player Of the tournament in the 2003 world cup not so long ago , top run scorer in the TVS Tri series in India in 2003
Even in the VB Series in 2004 he was in great touch until he had an ankl injury
If u had watched the game at the GABBA in the 2004 VB Series with an injured ankle , i do not think that u would have posted this thread .
How can u evn talk about his batting not being elegant ???
The very fact that u have started this thread inspite of him scoring 1000+ runs in the last 11 tests shows the greatness of the man.

as i type , he is nearing his 10000th run !!!!

 

[sohum]

As I type he has passed his 10000th run. Sachin doesn't have elegant strokeplay? What are you? Have you watched cricket? Who has a trademark cover drive and off drive. That full-face straight drive where you can look at the MRF--that's a tendulkar classic and it is elegant as hell. He's got it all--drives, cuts, pulls, hooks--everything. The cover drive is the most beautiful of all--especially when it whizzes across the turf into the boundary. And that happens often. Sachin doesn't have elegance--haha.

 

[Sureshot]

sachin has been out of form but hes still making runs.

 

[sohum]

He just made a 50. And why do you say he is out of form? Just because he isn't cracking every ball to the boundary? I guess he lacks the confidence to get back to his peak, in terms of form, but he is playing great cricket and probably kicking the batting asses of all the other Indians. :P

 

[gold639]

No,Sachin should not retire.He is only 32 or something right?It would be crazy if he should retire now.

 

[sachinisgod]

:happy:hpraise

He's done it!!!! 10025 test runs...Congrats to him and all his fans...

Dravid scored 110 in 222 balls...that's 49.58 strikerate...let him retire tomorrow...as it is he is just few months distant to Tendulkar in age...ridiculous??? so is the idea that Sachin should throw the towel in...

today he scored at 50/100..that's a fair rate...but i guess the dissidents won't be appeased...poor fellas...u give them the best on earth and they'll ask for the best on Pluto...

btw, i see that Virender Sehwag phenomenon has more ODI addicts watching test cricket now...but they don't seem to understand the difference...today in the Lunch show - Fourth Umpire - a fellow called and told the panel that he thought that Veeru was scoring slowly...something like 65 in abt 90-100 balls - that's slow??? is this the phenomenon at work here - iceman?

also i understand why people can't digest the 94 in Mohali...till he reached 50/till Sehwag got out, Sachin scored at a rate of 80/100 but when he found unresponsive runners at the other end he calmed down drastically and this drastic change is what seems to be indigestible...on the contrary i am proud of his ability to change his tactics at any moment...

one more thing - the satisfaction of scaling a new height brings out the best in him...today the last 25 of his runs came as if a 16 year old kid was out there to enjoy...so let the 35th ton go past him and then u can expect that he will murder the attacks that threaten him and his team...

For the people who have faith in this legend - take a look:
http://ind.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat.../2005/MAR/207375_INDPAK2004-05_16MAR2005.html
http://ind.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat.../2005/MAR/207293_INDPAK2004-05_16MAR2005.html

 

[fanirama]

dude, I think you should stop adding more to this useless thread.

Obviously no one is going to change their opinion ( sachin fans and iceman ). what's the whole point of posting longer and longer messages ?

A true fan doesn't need to convince others.... just himself.

 

[sachinisgod]

dude fanirama, who's saying that the thread is useless...the starting point of view may have been abysmal in position but that doesn't render the rest of it futile...as i said before, i am going to use this thread to celebrate the master's records and deeds...and praising a hero doesn't need a USE to it...it just comes out...

 

[SaiSrini]

:happy:hpraise

He's done it!!!! 10025 test runs...Congrats to him and all his fans...

Dravid scored 110 in 222 balls...that's 49.58 strikerate...let him retire tomorrow...as it is he is just few months distant to Tendulkar in age...ridiculous??? so is the idea that Sachin should throw the towel in...

today he scored at 50/100..that's a fair rate...but i guess the dissidents won't be appeased...poor fellas...u give them the best on earth and they'll ask for the best on Pluto...

btw, i see that Virender Sehwag phenomenon has more ODI addicts watching test cricket now...but they don't seem to understand the difference...today in the Lunch show - Fourth Umpire - a fellow called and told the panel that he thought that Veeru was scoring slowly...something like 65 in abt 90-100 balls - that's slow??? is this the phenomenon at work here - iceman?

also i understand why people can't digest the 94 in Mohali...till he reached 50/till Sehwag got out, Sachin scored at a rate of 80/100 but when he found unresponsive runners at the other end he calmed down drastically and this drastic change is what seems to be indigestible...on the contrary i am proud of his ability to change his tactics at any moment...

one more thing - the satisfaction of scaling a new height brings out the best in him...today the last 25 of his runs came as if a 16 year old kid was out there to enjoy...so let the 35th ton go past him and then u can expect that he will murder the attacks that threaten him and his team...

For the people who have faith in this legend - take a look:
http://ind.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat.../2005/MAR/207375_INDPAK2004-05_16MAR2005.html
http://ind.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat.../2005/MAR/207293_INDPAK2004-05_16MAR2005.html

Thanks Sachin and congrats to all his other fans and my Salutes to the MASTER BLASTER!!!

I agree with you when you say Sehwag has made many ODI addicts watch test cricket and they mix up ODI's with tests!! And everyone cant be like Australia who score very fast and wrap up test matches very early!! Every team doesnt need to do that! Also, it really insults the opposition bowlers!!

dude, I think you should stop adding more to this useless thread.
Obviously no one is going to change their opinion ( sachin fans and iceman ). what's the whole point of posting longer and longer messages ?
A true fan doesn't need to convince others.... just himself.

Who said this thread is useless?? I am finding it interesting to read the words of people who side by the MASTER!! Thanks to iceman for starting this!!!

 

[icyman]

Who smacks spinners out of their minds? Ganguly
Laxman and Dravid,they played out an entire day against the best bowling attack in the world in Kolkata-most sensitive place in india.

And i must say that it was Rahul Dravid who was chosen to talk to his countrymen after that world cup loss against australia in 2003(group match)
not tendulkar

Talking about the cheer....lets forget it coz every indian player gets it.

and also certian words like literal minded and insensitive dont look good in your thread.....and this is offensive.

Anyhow ,he hasnt yet got his 35th ton.

:happy:hpraise

He's done it!!!! 10025 test runs...Congrats to him and all his fans...

Dravid scored 110 in 222 balls...that's 49.58 strikerate...let him retire tomorrow...as it is he is just few months distant to Tendulkar in age...ridiculous??? so is the idea that Sachin should throw the towel in...

i see that Virender Sehwag phenomenon has more ODI addicts watching test cricket now...but they don't seem to understand the difference...today in the Lunch show - Fourth Umpire - a fellow called and told the panel that he thought that Veeru was scoring slowly...something like 65 in abt 90-100 balls - that's slow??? is this the phenomenon at work here - iceman?

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Look at the position the match is in sachin,the first test ,we were right on top of the pakistanis.
DRavid scored slowly as india lost laxman and ganguly in quick succession.Anyhow the indian public digest it coz dravid is known for his slow play,not tendulkar.

Talking about fourth umpire-----PLEASE dont talk about it.the show is useless ,utter nonsense and full of crap.God knows why DD were given the rights.Yeah and in fourth umpire you do get stupid quetions like
when will balaji make his comeback?(asked in indo -saf ) series.
And one more thing.....no one can race himself.