South Africa Team Discussion

[Markkkkk]

Yes but now compare him to people like Faf and he didnt show any reason to get dropped over other people...

 

[stefan]

Yes but now compare him to people like Faf and he didnt show any reason to get dropped over other people...

Faf has match winning innings from Adelaide and Joburg that gives him a long rope...He also averages 45 in test cricket, one poor series doesn't discredit that.

Also as I recall Faf did play a fighting innings together with amla in the last test till he got a ball that rolled on him. So he has shown more then villas...

 

[Markkkkk]

Faf has match winning innings from Adelaide and Joburg that gives him a long rope...He also averages 45 in test cricket, one poor series doesn't discredit that.

Also as I recall Faf did play a fighting innings together with amla in the last test till he got a ball that rolled on him. So he has shown more then villas...

Yes that was just an example (a poor one mind you). I guess its 50/50, all I know is that I have watched de Kock since he was 16 and he still has the inability to play defensively. He has a sr of 80 in first class cricket and no matter how good you are you cant score that quickly in test cricket. Vilas also has batted in the middle order for longer than de Kock has. Its safe to say that domestic cricket has gone downhill so take into account Vilas was batting against much stronger attacks and has a defensive side to his game I would pick him. Also its about time South Africa start giving players caps based on merit. Vilas and co have performed season after season where as de Kock has played less then 20 fc games for the Lions (dont quote me on that but it isnt 30). The real question is people like Heino Kuhn and even Van Wyk (not sure on their records) but they have both been better then de Kock and for longer in the franchise cricket...

 

[grkrama]

He has a sr of 80 in first class cricket and no matter how good you are you cant score that quickly in test cricket.

Virender Sehwag



Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St
Tests 104 180 6 8586 319 49.34 10441 82.23 23 32 1233 91 91 0

despite poor form in the last year and half

Then there is Kapil dev and Gilchrist with 80 SR with 5000+ runs

So if QDK can make it at INTL level with the same methods it means you would have a match turner someone who can take the game away in a couple of session, sure he wont come good always but when he does he would make it count!

You wouldnt know until you try, i mean QDK is young throw him in for a series or two see if he can adapt if not let him go work on it in FC! Its a win win for SA either way !

 

[stefan]

Yes that was just an example (a poor one mind you). I guess its 50/50, all I know is that I have watched de Kock since he was 16 and he still has the inability to play defensively. He has a sr of 80 in first class cricket and no matter how good you are you cant score that quickly in test cricket. Vilas also has batted in the middle order for longer than de Kock has. Its safe to say that domestic cricket has gone downhill so take into account Vilas was batting against much stronger attacks and has a defensive side to his game I would pick him. Also its about time South Africa start giving players caps based on merit. Vilas and co have performed season after season where as de Kock has played less then 20 fc games for the Lions (dont quote me on that but it isnt 30). The real question is people like Heino Kuhn and even Van Wyk (not sure on their records) but they have both been better then de Kock and for longer in the franchise cricket...

He reminds me of a certain Adam Gillchrist. Gilly averaged 48 at number 7 with a strikerate of 82, don't recall him playing many defensive innings ever.

As for van wyk he averages 38 in first class cricket and kuhn averages 42 , again QDK averages 45.

As to give people chances that only applies if the other person is better. There were more experienced players (some would argue better) when the selectors went with kallis,ab,smith and boucher. for special talents you rather go with the talent and as far as I am concerned QDK fall into the category with the former mentioned ones.

 

[War]

http://www.thenational.ae/sport/gra...rn-to-international-cricket-with-south-africa

Considering what's going with SA openers, this would be quite welcome if the big man comes back @stefan @Markkkkk @Rudolph

 

[grkrama]

wow that would be something to watch out for!

this always represented what smith is!

 

[War]

Tricky road ahead as SA seek to rebuild | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

All I can do is hold my head and shake it as usual

"Imagine picking an XI that has to have at least six specialist batsmen, preferably seven, of which one is a wicket-keeper and one can bowl a bit, three seamers from a group where some are injured and the reserves rarely have enough game time, one specialist spinner from a trio and ensuring that there are at least four players of colour of which one is black African.

Whether you agree with or disagree with those parameters, that is what they are. It makes picking a side difficult because although there are enough players of colour coming through - the franchises have their own transformation requirements of five players of colour with two black Africans, which they are meeting - finding the right players in the right positions is not as simple as colouring by numbers.

Currently, the options available in terms of black African players in the Test are Kagiso Rabada, who played all but one match on the India tour, and Temba Bavuma, who played when Rabada did not. Both had strong showings and demonstrated the success of the transformation plan - it's not about picking players who are not good enough to fill a quota but it about how you decide between players who are good enough. In some countries that decision is made on something as subjective as which player the chief selector or the captain feels has more potential. In South Africa part of that decision is made with transformation guidelines in mind.

The effect is not the fear and loathing that is imagined, in which white players are afraid they will lose their chance of playing international sport and black players resentful of handouts. It is more nuanced. It is about the how the balance of a side can be affected by adding another aspect to the way a team is chosen.

At this point it means that when both Philander and Steyn are fit again to play alongside Morkel, Rabada may be left out unless South Africa play four quicks, and there will be no space for Kyle Abbott at all. That will also mean Bavuma will start, but since there is no space for him in his regular spot in the middle order, he will have to open. Luckily for South Africa, Bavuma showed that he could.

He seemed more assured than the man he replaced, van Zyl, but it is not known how he will fare at home on what are bound to be spicy pitches against the England attack. Given that neither van Zyl nor Bavuma is actually an opener, South Africa may want to pick someone more accustomed to the role.

If they do that, their choices are limited to Stephen Cook or Andrew Puttick, and so far, the selectors have said age is the main obstacle to their selection. Cook is 33 and Puttick 34 so the suits have a point, but Cook topped the first-class batting charts last season, Puttick was the fifth-highest run-getter the season before, both average over 40, and between them have played 310 first-class games. That kind of experience should not be scoffed at.

Both Cook and Puttick are white so including one of them would mean re-looking at balance either by making a space for Bavuma lower down, possibly putting JP Duminy's spot at risk, or including Rabada by breaking up the Steyn-Morkel-Philander triumvirate. Whichever way you look at it, it leaves South Africa in a tricky situation and the players know it."

 

[stefan]

Graeme Smith hints at return to international cricket with South Africa | The National

Considering what's going with SA openers, this would be quite welcome if the big man comes back @stefan @Markkkkk @Rudolph

Would love to have the big man back. Retired way too soon. Only now that he is gone some of those who always gave him a hard time realize what we are missing.

 

[zwarrior]

Wow. No QDK nor Vilas. It's ABD.

De Villiers to keep wickets in England Tests | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[stefan]

Interesting choice. He can obviously do it as he does average 58 as wicketkeeper batsman with 7 100's and 7 50's from 23 tests. Does allow us to essential pick 7 batsman. Personally could have done with QDK as well but quess the selectors felt that van zyl & rillee rossouw were better choices.

 

[Abhil]

Dean Elgar was impressive in India.I didn't knew he would take quick wickets and score some good runs.He proved a secret weapon for South Africa.AB Divillers is god of cricket.He can do anything on nay given day.I won't be surprised if he scores 400 not out in t20 or odi.

 

[CerealKiller]

Why isn't Dwaine Pretorius given a chance at number 6 ahead of Bavuma? He averages 42 with the bat and 21 with the ball in FC cricket. @Markkkkk @stefan @Rudolph

 

[Markkkkk]

Why isn't Dwaine Pretorius given a chance at number 6 ahead of Bavuma? He averages 42 with the bat and 21 with the ball in FC cricket. @Markkkkk @stefan @Rudolph

Majority of his FC games have been for Gauteng which is one below franchise level and he's white.

 

[CerealKiller]

and he's white.

I've never understood this "reverse-racism" policy from CSA. What is it all about?
And btw, is there a good pace-bowling all-rounder in the south african domestic circuit? One that could make it to the national team?