The Reintegration Thread
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puddleduck
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I see Jimmy has now come out in his autobiography and criticised Vaughan. Really getting the impression that some of this England team are a little too far up their own asses.
Never helped by the apparent undroppability so many have enjoyed for so long. It's good to have consistency, but every now and then you need to bring in fresh blood for the future and rest those who play most/all formats.
The more I hear of Yawn on TV/radio the less I want to. So he mullered the West Indies on a regular basis and had two good series wins as captain (South Africa away, Ashes 2005) but the rest were ordinary fare and those two were down mainly to Flintoff, Jones and his bowling attack.
I doubt their high profile helps keep their egos in check, all this "number one" status nonsense. England have never won the 50 over World Cup, until they have they've not achieved everything and indeed fallen short in acheiving the ultimate one day goal.
I absolutely agree sportsmen should retire before someone writes their book(s) for them, however in this day and age they cash in now and cash in later as well. Not sure Anderson is such a superstar that he isn't right to cash in now while his profile is high.
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The ECB should not pick him until he makes a public apology and puts an end to this whole sorry affair for once and all. All he is doing is showing what a tw*tter HE is and verifying all that was said as true.
If there's no proof maybe the 'named suspects' should sue his sorry Rs, although a ban from playing for England for 12-24 months might be more apt. How he 'thinks' he can get back into the dressing room while still b*tching about it I do not know. If he had thick skin he'd have dropped it already, so him being thick skinned might not be how he'd deal with a hostile dressing room.
Piers Morgan's on fire on twitter. Lambasting all of Broad, Jimmy and Swann to have 'conspired' against KP, not to mention him frequently mentioning Jimmy's autobiography (where he attacks Vaughan and Freddie) in his tweets, as proof for the so called hypocrisy that exists within the ECB management. This really is turning out to be another sorry saga (just months after I'd witnessed the Suarez - Evra affair as a Liverpool fan). :/
Seconded.
Seconded.
I like how Anderson has got criticism for calling Flintoff a poor Captain, when he was indeed, a poor Captain. I'm never too sure what to make of Vaughan, he seemed a good leader of men, but all the crap he comes out with since he retired makes me think that that's all he was. It's no surprise that Anderson has a poor opinion of him though, considering he carted him around as 12th man for about 3 years.
I don't get what KP thinks he's going to get out of naming these 3. I mean if it comes down to a straight choice between those 3 or KP, then it's a no brainer. He's just alienating himself even more.
I don't get what KP thinks he's going to get out of naming these 3. I mean if it comes down to a straight choice between those 3 or KP, then it's a no brainer. He's just alienating himself even more.
I'm not reading any KP quotes in any of these articles...where are the journos getting their information?? It may seem the secondary issues here, but the leaking of information in these KP stories has been a problem for the last few months. Is it KPs management? Unlikely, they've just killed his career. Is it some insider in ECB? Who knows, but there seems to have been lots of snippets of info flying around, without any direct quotes at all.
Vaughan beat the windies a lot, not sure how good a captain or leader of men you need to be to do that these days. Didn't he win something like 16games out of 17 against them as captain? (might include Bangladesh, but either way they're cheap wins) It's a while since I broke down his captaincy.
I'm confident he never beat India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka in 11 Tests. He beat the aussies twice and South Africa twice, thanks to some very good bowling performances and some decent batting but quite how much influence he was as captain/leader is another matter.
We did only scrape past the aussies in the two wins in 2005, one by two runs and the other chasing a low total when he decided to enforce the follow-on. Maybe Jones would have got injured anyway, but we should have batted again.
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surely it would be well cheeky of england to exclude pietersen from the central contracts and then pick him to tour india in less than a month?
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To put into context, they were one of the best teams of all time, and how many 5 match test series did they lose, so think it very unjust to criticise his captaincy in that series
puddleduck
Chairman of Selectors
The whole saga is incredibly dull. If this had happened at my local club, the captains would have had a word with him and the whole issue would have been resolved in-house and for the good of the team. I feel like certain players have all developed a rather heightened opinion of themselves. This isn't football, it's not like KP isn't passing to anyone. It's cricket, he's a batsman, and he was contributing. The whole team aspect, and pulling together... well if he's digging in and scoring match changing hundreds, then he's already offering more to the team than some players have been recently.
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Basically, how much is being a team player? Is it scoring runs on the field of play, or is it sitting on the balcony and laughing over the same jokes?
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Basically, how much is being a team player? Is it scoring runs on the field of play, or is it sitting on the balcony and laughing over the same jokes?
Is that not exactly what KP wants though? This way he'd be playing for England, yet wouldn't have a contract saying that he has to be available for all games, therefore, he'd be free to spend as long in the IPL as he wants.
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If he comes back, which apparently looks likely, it's going to be walking on eggshells in that England dressing room. One spark could cause a major issue you'd imagine.
"unjust" ?
Completely fair, the England side was a very very good side, Jones, Flintoff, Hoggard and Harmison were an awesome bowling unit and the batting line up of Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell, Pietersen, Flintoff, Jones and Giles one of the best around.England played very well, doesn't mean the captaincy isn't open to criticism. You're taking one series which we won and I've said was one of only two tough series that Vaughan won, to defend his captaincy. That's like suggesting if England beat Spain in a football match and got some very dross results against very dross sides that the captain/manager/team were beyond criticism
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It would be wrong, to pick him that is. It is probably just to make a statement about him being a very naughty boy (he's not the messiah you know
)re Vaughan's captaincy stats.
vs WIN/BAN/NZE : P23 W20 D2 L1 (Won 86.96%)
vs IND/PAK/SRI : P11 W0 D7 L4 (Won 0.00%)
vs AUS/SAF : P17 W6 D5 L6 (Won 35.29%)
Vaughan won 14 out of 15 against windies and Bangladesh. Four of those six wins against the aussies and saffers came in those two 2-1 wins I mentioned, other than that he won just two games in two Tests against South Africa, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka in 18 attempts.
He won only four Tests coming from behind (1st innings deficit), one each against New Zealand and West Indies having trailed by 65 runs, against South Africa having trailed by a mere 8 runs and the biggest after trailing by 179 but only against New Zealand who were bowled out for just 114 in their 2nd innings.
