The Silence Of The Lambs Mafia - Endgame - SK (Sulaiman7) WINS

[Varun]

Two hours remaining in the day.

 

[thedon5]

Thought I'd hide my identity and investigate Surender in the night phase but it'd be a sheer waste if they target me and the doc(I hope there's one in the game) will save him taking in the fact that there wasn't any counterclaim. If there's no Doc, I'm still up for sacrificing. We can at least have one mafia member lynched so the sacrifice should be worth it.
I'm Jack Crawford, the Cop.
So that clears me on Surendar being a mafia. I don't know whether you guys would believe me or not.. if he doesn't turn out to be a mafia you can fairly lynch me the next day if I survive. Or maybe he's a townie fake claiming so as to save the actual cop but that is unlikely, henceforth:

Lynch: Surendar

Interesting, I find it hard to believe that if there were a cop, it wouldn't be Clarice.

At the same time, I find it hard to believe that Crawford wouldn't be in the set-up, and he too would be a cop.

So unlesss one of these is a fake claim (either would be very powerful fake claims, too powerful, too believable), I don't think it is beyond the realms of possibility that both of you are telling the truth, in fact, I think that is the most likely scenario here.

Two cops in a game is not unheard of, and looking at the events of the film, I think it is very likely that Clarice would be a sane cop and Crawford would be a paranoid cop. Think back to the point where Crawford thinks he has found Buffalo Bill's house, but is actually 400 miles away, whereas Clarice just stumbles upon Buffalo Bill. That is what would make me think that yash is the paranoid one and not surendar.

I think using your role tonight would be a good idea, yash, before lynching surendar. If you get a Mafia read we can safely assume my hunch to be true.

This is not a defence of surendar, I can already feel Colin getting on my back about this post after his comment about how me and surendar could be a team.

We are also at the stage now where four out of seven have claimed. We also have to take into consideration that one of them is fake. If I were to choose now I would guess Colin's to be fake, but that is just a hunch and I'm certainly not going to act on it.

surendar's logic to try and reveal Colin's claim as fake is definitely flawed as well, in a set-up like this I just don't feel that is true. He makes a good point though, I agree that Colin's previous few posts have looked scummy. This one especially, trying oh so hard to justify why the role should be in the game:


I'm not ready to take sides though, there is every chance that Colin is telling the truth and surendar is lying, or both are telling the truth.

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Guys, I would need others to jump in with the opinions too. Should we go to night phase with our assumptions open?

If we are entering night, I don't think I will survive the night if I am not coming out. I want to come out, I am the cop - Ms Clarice Starling. It was evident from the way I was chasing Colin. At this moment, I feel Colin is false claiming with imaginative power claim for an insignificant role. He is Mr Bill to my eyes, want to hear the feedback from others. All his behavior(posts) were clear in making attempt to us to believe that president obviously have higher hand but unfortunately he carelessly made the build up without knowing the actual role of senator in the theme - that really revealed the colors inside. His last 3 posts were typical mafia behavior in watching the movie & trying to justify his imaginative power.

What say guys? Should we leave these assumptions open? I really don't want to go to night as we have never had productive day 1 like this to my knowledge.

You would have definitely survived the night, and I disagree that you have soft claimed this role. You simply can't justify your claim using the way you chased Colin, it's not like you have a result against him. Very, very strange time for a cop to come out.

I agree with your final points though as I stated earlier.

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I definitely agree though, this has been a fascinating day 1. I have certainly missed closed set-ups.

 

[ved_]

Chilton, Clarisse and Crawford are must-haves in this game, I think. 2 of them have claimed already, along with a governor and a vanilla. I believe Chilton will be some sort of jailkeeper/doctor, so if everyone claiming was speaking the truth, we have 3 power roles claimed and 1 unclaimed. This would make a somewhat unbalanced setup. One of the claims is probably lying.

 

[barmyarmy]

If I can point out that Surendar has already condemned me anyway regardless of results if he investigates me. He's said that if I come up town then I must have a town on investigation role...

Heads he wins; tails I lose.

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Chilton, Clarisse and Crawford are must-haves in this game..

If you read the previous posts this is only partially accurate logic. Because there are fake claims everyone who claims a character is by definition "in the game". The question is whether they are mafia or pro-town. As I said before you can't play theme games by simply lynching off the minor characters as major characters can be fake claims for mafia members.

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All his behavior(posts) were clear in making attempt to us to believe that president obviously have higher hand but unfortunately he carelessly made the build up without knowing the actual role of senator in the theme - that really revealed the colors inside. His last 3 posts were typical mafia behavior in watching the movie & trying to justify his imaginative power.

This is just nonsense. You asked me to justify why I had the role so I did based on my memory of the film/book. If it didn't sound convincing it's because I hadn't re-watched it.
I will say again. Having watched the film the character Varun has given me fits perfectly with the role of governor and makes total sense.

 

[thedon5]

I'm not too sure what to believe at this stage, but it looks like it will be between surendar and Colin tomorrow. I don't like surendar's aggression against Colin at all. It is OK to be sceptical, but he has taken it too far.

Tbh of all the claims, yash's is the one I'm most inclined to believe.

 

[Varun]

45 minutes left in the day.

 

[ved_]

This will most likely be a no lynch. Impossible to get 4 lynches within 15 minutes.

 

[Varun]

Day 1​

It was a long and energetic day. In the end, no one was decided to be killed off. The night skies took over.

They don't have a name for what he is.

It is now Night 1. Send in your roles. You have 24 hours. No one shall post in the thread.

End of the day writeups are flavor.

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Also, chronology of the night events (wherever required) will be in the order they are sent to me.

 

[Varun]

Night 1​

Waiting, waiting, waiting....

-X-​

"You know, I have met a lot of detectives, but I must say I can't ever remember one as attractive."

-X-​

"YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PAIN IS!"

-X-​

It was all over in the newspapers. The head of the FBI Behavioral Science Unit found dead. His terminally ill wife would be uncared for now. WHAT was he is doing in Ohio though?!

@yashdude101 is dead. He was:

Jack Crawford, FBI Behavioral Science Unit, Town Aligned​

It is now Day 2. With 6 alive, it requires 4 for a lynch.

 

[Sulaiman7]

Surendar has some confession to do....

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I'm Jack Crawford, the Cop.

I think Surendar is a mafia who was trying to learn who was the cop and got successful but I don't see him killing Yash as it would make him suspicious, he isn't stupid to do that. Someone else maybe killed Yash to get Surendar suspicious but what Surendar claimed isn't true. Fishy....

 

[surendar]

You guys, if have no clue on theme, it is going to be hard for us to make it to shore. It was just silly of Yash to come out, I did posted must have roles before and I clearly mentioned Yash's role as probable. Instead of so silly way of coming out and placing a lynch on me, he should have investigated me to find out the truth. I am damn sure the thought processing of who killed Yash - Doc would be on clarice & it's easy to get Yash out! Very bad gameplay by Yash in hurry.

I investigated P Squared & he is town.

Don - Adrelia mapp
Me - clarice
Yash - Crawford
Colin - Senator
PS - town( don't know his role yet )

These are the claims. If all the above claims are true & PS is doc, Zuhorb and Sulaiman are mafia. If PS is not doc, one of Sulaiman/Zuhorb is doc and one of above claims is false. In which case, Colin is obvious fake claim.

Only confusion is - with Colin stating with much confidence that if cops want let them investigate, I am not sure whether Lecter is lawyer here. That's the reason I didn't take chance on Colin & wanted to investigate on unclaimed people.

Sulaiman - how are you so sure that I didn't kill Yash? You also said that my claim is not true which really doesn't make sense. There cannot be silence of lambs without clarice & there is no doubt of clarice being a FBI cop. I don't find connection in your claims on me, can you elaborate?

 

[Sulaiman7]

Sulaiman - how are you so sure that I didn't kill Yash?

It's because if you did, you'd doubtlessly get under suspicion as you were Yash's cc. I'm not too assured about that tbqh. I don't know if there were two cops, Yash and you. This valor be an expert cop set-up but then Don has claimed to be a townie and Catherine & Barney have an far-reaching role too in the movie. I'd like to pick up what others assert around this.

 

[barmyarmy]

I really don't like the way Surendar is totally willing to believe thedon's claim without question but is convinced for reasons he has been unable to explain properly that I "must" be mafia.
I get that Clarice will be in the game but I don't agree that she is definitely town and not a mafia fake-claim. This game is just too easy if people can say they are definitely town based on their character. Varun has designed loads of games before and I refuse to believe he would allow people to be cleared based just on character claim.
If that's the case the game is decided by getting everyone to character claim and lynching off the minor characters...

Surendar has also chosen not to investigate me (if he indeed is the cop) which is ridiculous as he is "convinced" I am mafia.

Sulaiman seems to be implying that he "knows" who didn't kill yashdude which feels a lot like a burden-of-knowledge mafia tell. I definitely suspicious of his play.
Regarding the others I've got no real handle on P Squared as I don't feel he's contributed all that much yet. Suren claims to have a "town" on him but a/ the means we have to accept that there are two cops and b/ we have to accept that Suren is a normal cop. That is too many assumptions for me and I wouldn't be happy believing that yet.

A standard mafia gambit goes as follows:
- mafia member claims cop to get real cop out
- mafia kill cop overnight
- mafia member who claimed cop "clears" his mafia buddy or gets a "guilty" on someone they want to lynch.

Clearing someone is less high risk as if you say someone who is town is guilty they know that you're lying. It also carries the risk of one caught-both caught and is usually used close to MyLo where the consequences after don't matter. As we're in the dark on the game setup we don't know how much scope for mis-lynching we have. If though we assume two mislynches wins the game for mafia, I would be the first, based on Suren's play, and then he will claim a guilty tomorrow on another town player. From that point of view it's riskier to investigate me as I would clearly come up town if lynched in contradiction of the result he might have claimed on me.

Anyway this is speculation. Suren might be totally innocent and just misguided in his choice of targets but I want to flag up some alternate scenarios.

In summary I want to hear more from P Squared and Zhuorb and I'm probably most suspicious of Sulaiman right now.

 

[surendar]

There are 2 cops in this theme, no doubt about it now. I anticipated 2 cops lot earlier in day 1 but I expected other as standby cop if I get killed. My calculations are 80% right until now.

Okay what about the other question? How did you come to conclusion my claim is not true? So you say, there is no clarice?

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Edit : my above post is for Sulaiman.

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Colin, I can assure you that Varun has kept this as per theme. I am no way going to believe you still claiming with general mafia set up with theme making no sense of it. It is damn ridiculous to hear it. Description of my role which Varun has sent( way I need to do ) is 100% on theme and I have said enough about it. I am not bothered to talk about my role and waste time here.

I did not investigate you for obvious reasons - you are so sure to get town which is present in your claim. Means, you were really town or you are 100% under lawyer suit. This only wastes my investigation on night. Looking at your behavior(posts), I am completely convinced that you are on lawyer suit.

Sulaiman's play of saying no clarice and my claim is false - that is even more obvious scummy behavior with finding reasons to make me look like mafia. Typical mafia behavior.

 

[Sulaiman7]

How did you come to conclusion my claim is not true? So you say, there is no clarice?

but I don't agree that she is definitely town and not a mafia fake-claim.

This Surendar, it might be fake-claim. I just keep on thinking that it's a classic set-up and there was only 1 cop.

I'll add more tomorrow as I am heading to the bedroom now.